Henry Armstrong thoughts?

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  1. Yorbals

    Yorbals Active Member Full Member

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    I must admit I don’t know a great deal about homicide Hank . For those who do, whst made him so great ?
    He seemed to improve a lot as a fighter around age 25, going off his record. Is that accurate ?
    Who were the best fighters he fought outside of Robinson?
    He wasn’t unbeatable, but he fought a ridiculous amount so you have to take that in to account.

    For Armstrong fans, would you favour him over pep, saddler at feather, Duran, Leonard or Chavez at lightweight, who’s the best he would be at at welterweight?
     
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  2. PrimoGT

    PrimoGT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I like that he's still recalled from time to time by the mainstream boxing media, even if they often do so to make spurious comparisons with modern greats.
    None of them come close. Not Crawford, not Pacquiao. Even an old-timer relative 'modern' like Roberto Duran, great as he was, did not do what Armstrong did.
    Winning the featherweight title, then the welterweight title within 7 months, then the lightweight title 3 months after that. That's a ridiculous peak.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The surviving footage of Armstrong is a bit of a cosmic joke. One of the greatest punchers of all time we have so little evidence of "the blackout" on film.
     
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  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    What the footage of Armstrong shows us, is a very good infighter.

    If you wanted to tech someone to infight, you could do a lot worse than showing them footage of Armstrong.
     
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  5. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hi Buddy.
    Interesting how we all see/view fighters differently, I wouldnt describe Armstrong as a " puncher " for me a was a tireless fighting machine, sure he had a high KO percentage, but that was due to his accumulative punching as to a single punch, the likes of Duran Rosario and Jenkins, are what I would say are LW punchers, but as I say we see fighters differently, that's what makes the forum so interesting.
    stay safe McGrain, chat soon.
    Mike.
     
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  6. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I won't answer for McGrain but when you dive deep into Armstrong his power has become quite underrated, especially around featherweght.
     
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  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Never seen a fight work himself in, shoulder to shoulder,as intensely as he did.
    Manic energy guy,one of a kind.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The two biggest predictors of dwindling returns on legitimate punching power are an upgrade in class and an upgrade in size. Armstrong was in the world class from 37-38 and fought until 45, at pace. He exited his class about the same time.

    Despite this, Armstrong scored 99 knockouts. Around the time of his welterweight loss to Zivic, he knocked out legit welterweight contender Phil Furr three times in four one-sided rounds, dropped lightweight Lew Jenkins seven times in six rounds, stopped light-welterweight Paul Junior in three and dropped welterweight Zannelli four times in five rounds.

    Paul Junior was stopped on just two other occasions in a career of nearly a hundred fights, and at the time of Armstrong's twin stoppages of him, only Lou Ambers had turned the trick. Mule-kicking Chalky Wright managed it after Armstrong. Junior had a chin about as proven as any ever who has also been stopped, and Armstrong was the quickest. Phil Furr lost forty fights but only three by way of stoppage including a straightner headbutt/cut combo from Fritzie :lol:

    Armstrong was knocking down durable fighters with that right hand of his, repeatedly and often regardless of size or class. He was an enormous puncher.
     
  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And fighting to a draw for the middleweight title, don’t forget.

    He reasonably could have been holding belts in four of the eight weight classes.
     
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  10. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hi JT.
    Sorry my much liked fellow poster, but still not entirely on board with Armstrong being a " enormous puncher " as put by McGrain in his recent post, sure lots of KOs on his way up the FW ranks, but mainly against nondescript nobodys, he did KO Bass and Wright, but thinking they might be not the fighters they were at that time, the few good fighters he did face, Arizmendi, Wolgast, and Belloise, he won on points, then there was the 2 fights with Jenkins, first fight Jenkins got up 6 times, the second fight he got up 7 times, Al Davis got up 3 times, as stated Zannelli was knocked down 4 times, is this the mark of a big puncher ! add to this when the calibre of fighter was upgraded as in Roderick, Ambers, Zivic, Garcia, there were no knockdowns, as far as I can remember, for me big/ enormous punchers are the likes of, Jackson, Shavers, Benn, Foster, Cueva's, etc, so for me Armstrong stays in the volume puncher category, not a powder puff, but not a KO artist in the strict sense of the word.
    stay safe buddy, chat soon.
    Mike.
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Only rub Mike is how much he went up in weight … in the lighter divisions he was a pretty decent puncher
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Cheers HG
     
  14. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Enormous may or may not be stretching it but he's a puncher when all things are taken into account. It's a good discussion tho mate.