Better fighter: Shakur Stevenson or Bam Rodriguez

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    34-35 is old for a leprechaun division fighter, especially for one who came up from the malnourished leprechaun child divisions

    I favour Inoue to beat Bam-Rod but if he waits until Inoue is 34-35 who knows what Inoue will have left then. He might have already lost or lost multiple times by then. Be on the way out. Have already retired.
     
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  2. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bam has done great, I wasn’t a fan of him going down in weight but I’m wondering how he looks when he moves up. Loma was neutralized a lot when he went to 135 compared to 130 he was untouchable. Does Bams style work as well against bigger guys? Bam could also fill in excellently at 122 since he seems to be massive for his weight class right now
     
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  3. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fair. To me as an Inoue fan I’d rather watch him spank Bam than go up against Espinoza. Espinoza is such high risk low reward and I’d slightly favor him. Bam is a massive name now and I think Inoue would smash him.
     
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  4. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Shakur is a pillow fist. Bam isn't. You can't hold Shakur taking a while to get Padley out of there against him -- he was completely outclassing Padley in every way. If Shakur had some power, that fight wouldn't have gone long.
     
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  5. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bam can almost assuredly become undisputed at 115 and 118 -- he might even do it without anybody hearing the final bell. For him to jump up to take on Inoue right now would require a massive purse I'd think because that fight has the potential to completely derail his career.
     
  6. ellerbe

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    Fair. It would be dumb, but as an Inoue fan rather him take that route than go against a power punching 6 foot monster that has speed and is a relentless machine lol.
     
  7. Flo_Raiden

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    Bam has all the tools to become undisputed at 115 and 118 for sure. Hard to see him jumping into an Inoue bout too soon considering Inoue might jump up to 126 after Nakatani but who knows. Even if Bam were to face and possibly lose to Inoue a loss to a legitimate ATG isn't going to hurt Bam's future honestly.
     
  8. TNSNO1878

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    Yeah, but the fact that he didn't have the power to take out a C-grade British fighter who came in on such short notice is a serious issue, and that lack of power is going to get him in serious trouble at some stage. Bam doesn't have that problem and it is one of the many departments where he is streets ahead of Shakur and it is what makes him a much better and well-rounded fighter.
     
  9. bandeedo

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    massive? lol. you sound like some of the know nothings here trying to build a narrative that he is this big guy picking on little guys. bam, just like inoue, is a little guy who has no comp from guys his size, so they push up. was inoues success as a fly and bantam just him beating up smaller guys? both guys are making careers guys that good naturally create. if cafu or martinez were just as talented, you wouldve seen them at 122 eventually as well.
    this idea that guys who are unable to shed water weight as well as others are somehow more noble because they have to fight at a higher weight is frickin fanboy babble. guys fight where their body gives them the best chance or biggest prize. period.
    right now, the only thing that stops the fight between naoya and jesse from being on even terms is bams bodys unfamiliarity with the weight. it will take your bodys nervous system time to fine tune its movements with the added weight. soon naoyas age will start to be a factor as well. size is not the determining factor in why these guys are doing what they are doing, and it wont be when they meet.
    i favor bam more as each day passes. but it wouldnt surprise me if naoya stopped him either. 2 fighters really worthy of each other. bam reminds me of arguello working himself towards pryor.
     
  10. Serge

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    It's a super fight, probably the biggest fight which can be made in the sport right now outside of AJ vs Belly, and certainly in terms of P4P prestige, and there would only be a few pounds and 0.5'' in reach separating them. Crawford jumped up 2 divisions to fight Clenelo but, as with Inoue and Bam-Rod, the size difference was minimal and for all the David vs Goliath talk beforehand, he was actually fighting someone very close in size, as would Bam-Rod be vs Inoue. Inoue would be fighting someone much bigger than him in Espinoza. In terms of weight it wouldn't be that much but in terms of weight + physical dimensions it would be.

    If ''hype job'' Loma could routinely be outweighed by 2-3 divisions, whilst also giving away huge amounts of reach, fighting in is opponent's backyards with home refs and 3 home judges often, in what would be bare minimum his 6th or 7th weight class had he turned pro at the same age as these American young starts and P4P stars and greats, vs massive weight bullies who fought him in their 1st division, then why is it too much to ask them to do a mere fraction of what he did routinely, and in their own countries on a deck stacked in their favour or at worst an even one?

    The size difference between Bam-Rod and Inoue, and Crawford and Clenelo, is a fraction what Loma was often giving away but people will act it's a David vs Goliath scenario for them. A past prime 35 y/o Loma fought a 20lb heavier, six inch longer reach (or just under) Haney in Haney's backyard, with a home ref and 3 home judges, a 36 hour weigh in. for goodness sake in what, as said, was Haney's 1st weight class and what would've been at least Loma's 6th or 7th had he turned pro at the same age as Haney but very likely more than that. The size disparity was obscene and that's an insane amount of weight and reach for a leprechaun division fighter to give away

    We have never seen any of these guys ever do that or even close to and I guarantee you they never will or even come close to doing so, let alone in their opponent's backyards with a home ref and 3 home judges when 35 years old and past their prime and if anyone suggested they do so it would be universally deemed outrageously unfair and highly unreasonable.

    The only other P4P fighter doing what Loma was in terms of routinely facing much or way bigger guys is Usyk and so many of the others multi-weight modern ''greats'' from the US are either huge weight bullies fighting opponents they're much or bigger than or ones roughly their size but they get hailed as gods for doing so or slaying leprechauns or at worst fighters their size on a deck stacked in their favour by the same clowns who dismiss fighters like Loma as a ''hype job'' :facepalm:
     
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  11. ellerbe

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    Me hiding in the corner for calling Loma a hype job
     
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: I wasn't aware you had and my post obviously wasn't directed at you at all.

    But for all those who do actually believe that, bump this thread when we see any of his North American peers or this next generation of young P4P stars giving away 15-20lbs and six inches of reach their 6th or 7th weight class and fighting the biggest punchers in those weight classes in their opponent's backyard, let alone doing so numerous times
     
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  13. BoxingIQ

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    Ennis is more skiled imo
     
  14. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Loma did give a lot of weight up at 135 no doubt. 135 was the land of weight bullies, even dudes like Campbell probably should have been welterweights.
     
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  15. Cobra33

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    Bam's footwork at times reminds me of Canizales and I loved watching Canizales.