Canelo not on Ring's PFP list

No it won't. I was already troubled by him dropping to #10 after losing a close decision to the now unanimous P4P #1. What I will say is that when you lose in boxing you can drop quickly. But with the track record Canelo has, and how competitive he was against Crawford, I don't think he should have dropped much if at all. A lot of people are pointing to this as evidence that he's done. Canelo did have a sub-par year and this is the consequence. What Canelo needs is a big win.

 

Ginger has been fighting pro since he was 15. And he's had many wars. He looked completely done against Crawford. Yeah defo not in p4p now.

 

He hasn't had a p4p worthy performance since Plant.

 

He should he higher. Naktani at 7th is a joke. Everyone hypes him but I bet nobody here could name his last 3 opponents without googling.

 

I actually kinda agree. Well, I wouldn't call it a joke, but his resume is not that great. However, to his credit, he was widely considered the best at bantamweight and beat highly ranked guys in every division he has fought in. Benavidez´s resume is not better than his tho.

 

Awesome. Now list the fighters on his resume equivalent to ..

Lemieux
Dirrell
Plant
Andrade
Gvozdyk
Morrell
Yarde

That's 6 former champions.

 

6 former champions sounds really neat, until you look at what part of their careers they were at.
Lemieux was 33, which is not that old, but this ended up being his last fight. He fought only once in the years 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022(his last fight). He was also coming off of a year long layoff.
Dirrell was 34, but he was still Dirrell and it was a solid win at the time. But lets not forget that Dirrell barely scraped by Avni ****ing Yildrim.
Plant - A lot of people have shat on this win, especially after Plant´s recent form, but at the time he was in his prime. He gave Canelo a really good fight, winning plenty of rounds, and then he dominated an old Dirrell and scored a vicious KO that night. Dirrell was past it, but that KO was unexpected and Plant boxed a solid fight.
Andrade was 35, a career middleweight who just moved to 168. It ended up being his final fight. OK win, given that Andrade clearly still had plenty of fight left in him.
Gvozdyk was 37, and had recently come out of retirement.
David Morrell was in his physical prime, but inexperienced in the ring. And he should have lost his last fight. But, it was an OK win.
Yarde is clearly past his prime, looked like **** in his last fight, and struggles to make 175.

Now lets look at equivalents:
Lemieux - Milan Melindo
Dirrell - Andrew Moloney
Plant - Alexandro Santiago
Andrade - *I dont really know whom to place here.
Gvozdyk - Francisco Rodriguez Jr
Morrell - Ryosuke Nishida
Yarde - Angel Acosta

Most of the guys Nakatani has fought were actually closer to their physical primes, and unlike Benavidez´s opponents, few of Nakatani´s have gone on to score significant wins.

Nakatani fights in Japan and most of his opponents are from that region, and they fight at lower weights that get far less attention in the western countries. You equate this lack of popularity as having a lesser resume.
You brought up Yarde as an example of Benavidez´s good resume, seemingly so only because of his popularity as there is no way you think Yarde has a good resume of his own. The only top 20 guys he has fought have all beaten him: Kovalev, Beterbiev, Arthur, and now Benavidez. And yes, that is the depth of his resume; Lyndon Arthur is the only other world class-ish boxer has faced. Yarde´s resume is fascinatingly shallow.

Oh, and Nakatani has fought 7 former or future champions.

 

it almost feels they’ve gate it too him on the basis that people like Canelo (not trying to take shots at him) not wanting to fight him rather than what he’s actually done in the ring.

I get it, kind of, not the metric I would use personally and I wouldn’t have him that high either

 

Yes he fights mainly out of japan against domestic level opponents. That's my point. Maloney is barely world level and has never been champion, and you compared him to Dirrell a two time WBC champion with 1 loss. Santiago the guy you compared to Plant to, had 4 losses and 5 draws before he fought Nakatani, while Plant had 1 loss to Canelo. You need to the stop the comedy. These guys you listed are trash. Nishida is a domestic level japanese fighter and your comparing him to Morrell.

Francisco Rodriguez Jr had 5 losses to various cans, and your comparing him to Gvozdyk who had 1 loss to one of the divisions greats. Your comparisons are laughable.

Nakantani's opponents had a total of 21 losses before he beat them. David's had 10 losses. You are comparing proven world class operators and champions to domestic fighters with multiple losses.

He gave Kovalev and Beterbiev two of their toughest fights. Both were wars. Pretty impressive.

 

Oh, Dirrell is a great boxer because he won a world title, but Nishida is domestic level despite having a world title too? Funny how that works. If you count Morrell´s WBA title then you have to count Maloney´s.

Your ass is hilariously biased, and you are only going by the numbers here. I bet you think that Yarde has a better resume than Rodriguez because Yarde has less losses.

Btw, I made the comparisons based on when they fought the respective opponents. If this were a prime Gvozdyk we were talking about, then I would have no one to compare him with. But he wasn't in his prime, he in fact had been retired for several years and was now closer to 40 than 30.

 

I'm having some trouble, yes.

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So you think the fighter pool in Japan is equivalent to the USA? You were probably on the Norman train after he knocked out that can.

 

Why is that? Haney is undefeated undisputed 3 division world champion. He has great victories against elite opponents like Vasily Lomachenko.

 

He also lost to Ryan freaking Garcia, and IMO barely won his last fight despite the really strong start. Oh, and Canelo also is a 3 division champion and was undisputed in one of them.

And Canelo´s losses? All to P4P ranked boxers. Hell, many think Crawford is the best P4P.

 

Ryan cheated in that fight, he used PEDs, and the fight was ruled as no contest.

Canelo lost 5 times, including Golovkin fights. Haney is better p4p.