Canelo not on Ring's PFP list

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  1. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Oh, now we playing the robbery game too? Yea, in that case Haney lost to old ass Lomachenko.
    Check mate.
     
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  2. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You mean Canelo beat Golovkin 3 times?
     
  3. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    :dunno Go back a few comments and read through them again.
     
  4. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    He had a great career, but his prime is over. I have mixed feelings about him as a fighter nexus of all his controversies. However, he definitely helped kept boxing afloat in the US by taking on big fights people wanted to see.
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I like how you respect official decisions when it pertains to Haney Garcia but when it comes to Canelo Golovkin you completely ignore them. This is an issue with the way a good amount of fans discuss Canelo. They pick and choose where to give Canelo credit, but when compared to other fighters there's no picking and choosing. So it's not an even comparison.
     
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  6. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    How many other fighters have been in Ring magazine's top 10 p4p consistently for over a decade? Pacquiao, who else?
     
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  7. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canelo's consistency, his ability to hang at the top level, is his main selling point. The big asterisk is in the word hang. His best opponents either beat him or deserved a draw. He didn't have that ability to truly separate himself from the herd, underlining Teddy Atlas' long-time scepticism. If he ever was P4P #1, he was the least impressive I can remember. P4P #1's don't have clear stamina issues.
     
  8. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    He’s been in clear decline for a long time, and his p4p standing has mostly been resting on his laurels since the loss to Bivol.

    Pedestrian performances against guys he would have stopped or that he’d have made look silly a few years ago really shouldn’t keep him in the top 10 p4p IMO…

    @Ted Spoon all great points and I agree with you. Canelo has always seemed more like a Miguel Cotto level (which is excellent) than a Mayweather / Pac level (exceptional)

    Canelo does have the second GGG performance which was a special and great win against an elite opponent.. But outside of that, he has fallen short and usually looked out of his league against his greatest tests.
     
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  9. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Unfortunately he is done at that level
    No shame in it as what a career he has had so far
     
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  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not convinced he is done "at that level". If he does just a little bit more than he did in the first fight, he beats P4P #1 and with a win over Crawford in a rematch he's likely P4P #1 again or close to it. He also did carry an elbow injury into the Crawford fight, it was his left elbow and he had surgery for it following the Crawford fight.

    Canelo is getting older, lots of wear and tear on that body over a 20 year career. However, I still believe he is capable of moving back up the rankings with a big win, be it in a Crawford rematch or against someone else that moves the needle.
     
  11. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    I dont think the ambition is there and at his age that's vital
     
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  12. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Tyson Fury, Oleksandr Usyk
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    If the justification is that Clenelo is well past his prime and is no longer a P4P level fighter, I can get that but he lost to The Ring's current P4P#1 who are by their own logic simultaneously devaluing Crawford's win by doing that

    Many people hype up Haney by listing his run of wins, starting with Gamboa but whilst it looks impressive on paper it's thick with smoke an mirrors

    Gamboa
    Linares
    Jojo
    Kambosos
    Kambosos
    Loma
    Rougarou
    JCR
    Norman

    Looks pretty impressive, right? How many were prime, not shot to bits, even remotely close to his size?

    Gamboa was 39 y/o, shot to bits, his form at 135 is trash, should be like 7-6 at the weight with 2 stoppage wins in his last 14 fights and 4 stoppage losses at 135, was coming off a stoppage loss to Twink

    Linares was 35-36 and washed, 3-2 in his last 5 both losses via KO, 1 to a much smaller blown 126 pounder who suffered a very serious should injury in round 2, and would lose his next 3 fights after losing to Haney

    JoJo Diaz was a career 126/130 who is 3-7 at 135 or his lone fight above and has stopped 1 of his last 17 opponents and no one at 135 or above

    Kambosis is a one-hit wonder who has lost to every prime world class opponent he's fought sans Teo. The reason Haney agreed to fight Kambosos in his backyard was because he saw his own assistant trainer (Bey) lose by SD to Kambosos despite Bey being extremely inactive, 1 fight in 3.5 years vs a nobody, and past his prime and the judges, unlike all his fights vs foreigners in the US where they stacked the deck with a full house of home officials, all coming from neutral countries in BOTH fights. Kambosos beat Teo and then subsequently lost to Haney x 2, clearly lost to Maxi Hughes, was knocked out by an old well past prime blown up 126 Loma, and was knocked out by Hitchins

    Haney had a 20lb weight advantage vs a 35 y/o past prime Loma, just under six inch reach advantage, hometown advantage, a home ref and 3 home judges, a 10 year youth advantage, and a freaking 36 hour weigh in for a fight between a natural 135 who was the smallest 135 pounder out there and was tiny for the division vs one of the biggest weight bullies in boxing/the biggest 135 pounder I've ever seen and he still needed his 3 home judges to, as they do in the US damn near all the time vs their boys, rob the Soviet brother, gift him the win. Imagine what even that version of Loma would do to him if the weight disparity was even 50% of what it was, let alone a same size or bigger Loma. He would've 100% knocked his ass smooth out.

    Rougarou was also past his prime and was coming off a razor-close win in his previous fight to a dollar store Haney and in that fight he was completely exposed as not being able to deal with a rangy backfoot boxer or be able to close the distance on one to save his life. Hence why Haney ducked the rematch vs Lomas despite the vast majority of fans and observers worldwide having him losing the fight and knowing full well he would have home advantage again, the most stacked deck possible again with his home ref and corrupt home judges again, a 20lb weight advantage and a near six inch reach advantage, and was willing to jump up to 140 to face a way more stylistically favourable match up vs Rougarou. He even scored a carbon copy KD vs Rougarou as the dollar stope Haney did vs Rougarou in the later's previous fight

    And most importantly Haney was WAY BIGGER than every singe one or the aforementioned including career 140 Rougarou who he had 9lbs on despite it being his first fight at the weight

    Bum Ryan beat the crap out of Haney, dropped him officially x 4 but it was more like x 6, and the only reason he wasn't sparked out cold is because the corrupt ref did everything within their power to ensure he made it to the final bell by allowing him to hold to an insane degree all night.

    Ryan might have missed weight and popped dirty for trace amount of a drug that would've had no benefit on his performance when he popped dirty for it and isn't even considered a good PED but who cares about someone missing weight vs one of the biggest weight bullies in boxing who had never beaten anyone close to their size and was weight bullying leprechauns and old men and shot old leprechauns and as I've explained before a reliable source boxing insider has revealed that Haney himself has missed weight before and it was covered up

    And Ryan was experiencing a mental episode and was partying and drinking all throughout camp and was clearly not it top shape

    And he was facing 2 men in the ring not 1 so it all evens up

    JCR was completely washed and Haney stunk out the joint so bad on that fight it makes the rest of his stinkfests look like Gatti vs Ward 1

    And then we have Norman who looked good vs face first walking punch bags Sasaki and Santillan but in reality had never actually beaten a single world champion and looked hopeless vs a world class boxer mover/octopus and even then Haney stunk out the joint something rotten in that fight, jabbing, running, and holding like crazy all night and landing a whopping 70 punches in 12 rounds.

    I picked Norman to win but I wasn't confident and I did warn that he would get up to his spoiling tactics again which is cheating, gives him and his fellow octopus/runner spoiler a huge advantage and makes things way harder for the opponent to deal with than they should be. And part of the reason I did was because of how petrified Haney was in his previous fight of a shot JCR's power and Haney's soft chin. But Norman was clueless how to land with his power and Haney's octopus grabbing made it 10 x harder for him to do so

    And I'm still unconvinced Haney has ever beaten anyone his size in 33 fights and if he has it's x 1

    Now you can apply all the context you want to Clenelo but, as said, we have seen him defeat many prime world champions and top contenders his size, bigger or much bigger many many times and his resume, even including all the context, is way better than Haney's and like Clenelo he should have a loss to much older P4P fighter only difference is they were, unlike Clenelo vs Crawford, actually way way smaller than him with a way shorter reach and it was in his backyard on a deck which couldn't have been stacked anymore in his favour
     
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  14. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like your optimism. I'd love to see Canelo win another big one, but I honestly think he's done at the top level now.
     
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  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo's proved people wrong before. I would like to see him do it again, now that people are writing him off.