Anthony Oluwafemi Olaseni Joshua vs. Jake Joseph Paul - Judgement Day, Dec 19th - Discussion Thread.

I hope these three are using this opportunity to punch Jack Paul in the head both hard and often.

Btw ... how far is Okolie likely to get at HW?

 

From laughter?!?

 

Bit different.

For one we live in the era of the internet and social media so everyone knows this is happening.

I didn't even know Ali had fought a NHL star in a exhibition fight until you just pointed out.

if Joshua lost boxing would be considered the biggest laughing stock and every single person in the world would pretty much know about it whether you are into boxing or not.

Did you look on social media when Fury almost lost to Ngannou ? It went into meltdown with everyone mocking boxing.

Also Paul looks like a midget compared to Joshua the NFL star that Ali fought atleast he was actually bigger than Ali. Again the same with the Japanese wrestler also that wasn't a boxing a match.

Also Ali was very active and was still fighting top opposition in-between, Heavyweights today are not active Joshua hasn't fought for 1 year.

Usyk fights on average 1 fight per year.

So yes the exhibition fight gets alot more scrutinised although I can't blame Joshua for not fighting for such a huge pay day. But he has to win convincingly to save boxings reputation.

 

I don't really understand the support AJ is getting. It's AJ taking the fight that "legitimizes" the whole "Jake Paul" phenomenon.

The last "real" boxer AJ beat was Otto Wallin, about as "feather-fisted" a 240 pound 'heavyweight contender' that can be imagined, and that was 2 years ago. He's now cynically taking a fight that's not even a weak 'tune up', not even a heavyweight opponent, not even a crusierweight contender, just an average small-ish cruiserweight opponent.
Okay, can't blame him, if the money's a big as reported. But i don't think he deserves support. It seems the only reason people are supporting him is because they literally want to see Jake Paul maimed or killed. Which is extreme and not cool really, whatever you think of Jake Paul - i haven't heard any stories about him that would warrant wishing him death or permament disability.
Maybe it would be better to just ignore the 'fight' altogether.

AJ's the one here who is really "taking the ****", not Jake Paul, who, if anything, is going against the 'fraud' role he's always been.

I still expect it to be called off, but maybe it goes ahead.

 

Why would boxing be considered a laughing stock?
If AJ lost, all that would mean is that Jake Paul is the better boxer at this point. That doesn't have any net loss on boxing at all, since Jake Paul is actually also a boxer, and has been more active than AJ.

Paul can't realistically win. It's a 1000-1 chance. But if he did, it just means a great upset victory, a great story, no loss for boxing as a sport, at all.

 

Exactly.
If Jake Paul actually goes through with it, nothing but respect.

 

Jake Paul has 13 fights, he's been doing boxing for 5 1/2 years, he trains. He's not "playing boxing", he's boxing. He might be a rubbish boxer, with a bunch of wins over rubbish boxers and inexperienced or non-boxers, but he's training and boxing.

Fabio Wardley was "white collar boxing" about 8 or 9 years ago, didn't have any amateur experience, now he's a "world champion". At what point do with give boxers credit for being boxers.

AJ deserves no credit for facing Jake Paul, a small, rubbish boxer.
But Jake Paul, if he enters the ring with AJ, deserves a lot of credit.
I'm not sure why people don't see it.

 

So you don't think a social influencer who's not beaten a single top 100 ranked fighter at his weightclass. Wouldn't make boxing look like a mockery by beating an active world class former 2 time Heavyweight champion who's also a former Olympic gold medalist ?

How would that be great for boxing ?

So all the younger generation of my age who aren't hard-core boxing fans like me can laugh at our sport all over social media ?

If Joshua lost you would never hear the end of it and boxings reputation would take a massive hit it would be the biggest embarrassment in boxing history.

Also that would lead to more of these joke type fights with possibly Paul fighting Usyk you really want to see that ?

I'd rather Joshua put Paul in his place so it stops the clown show.

 

Paul has been beating old MMA fighters or old shot boxers not in his weightclass.

The only actual active boxer he fought at his own weightclass was Tommy Fury in which he lost.

Wardley was beating active boxers at his weightclass.

I don't consider Paul a proper boxer because he's not beaten a single active boxer at his own weightclass.

 

Jake Paul is getting plenty of credit for his (delusional) courage. He deserves it.

AJ basically only gets credit if it’s a KO1, and even then, it’s just as a “yeah that’s what he was supposed to do”.

 

I disagree with your point that boxing would be a laughing stock if AJ lost. Love him or hate him, Jake has a pro boxing record. He's been training with pro boxers for years. Check out the records of the old greats; some of them fought guys in their debut or with under 10 bouts.

Personally I see a win by Paul as a net positive as it will bring in more youngest fans, which is a good thing. We all started out as young casuals then grew in t o the astute analysts that we became.

 

I'd rather Paul just stay in his lane and do whatever he's doing in regards to this gimmicky fights against retired boxers, MMA fighters, or fellow YouTubers like himself.

I don't want that mixed in with the serious side of our sport.

If Paul wins then you will more than likely see Usyk/Paul and as I said to another poster do you want to see these clown show fights on a regular basis with active boxers ? Because I don't.

And I disagree that boxings reputation wouldn't take a massive hit if Joshua lost to a online influencer who's half his size.

 

100 percent agree. While boxing has always had the sideshow fights, there is a difference here.

When John L. Sullivan walked into a bar and said "I can beat any sunnovabitch in the house," the guys who took him on were bums and dillantantes of Paul's caliber.

The record of many of his successors shows similar "joke" fights taken by top level HWs. What was Joe Louis's "bum of the month" club after all - essentially Louis knocking out a bunch of inept joke "boxers" like Paul. And people have already mentioned Ali's excursions into these sideshow events. And certainly we could find other parallels.

But I think what is different with this bogus event - and what offends boxing fans so much - is the level of attention, and money, that this joke fight is receiving, when real, top level boxers and real fights don't get half of either.

It's a travesty for the sport. It would be like a game between a top level professional team in (pick 'em) football, baseball, hockey, whatever taking on somebody playing on the equivalent of their local softball team and having that generate more attention and money than the Superbowl, World Series or Stanley Cup. It's PERVERSE! And profoundly offensive to all who love this sport, or should be.

 

Couldn't agree more good post.