Benavidez vs Marciano

He would have to shed around 10 lbs water weigh to make 175. Would have been no problems whatsoever. For reference, Haney dropped 25 lbs of water, which he rehydrated after the weigh-in, to make 140. Dropping 10 lbs is nothing by today's standards. For a LHW to be around Marciano' sweight in the ring is normal. Bivol and Beterbiev are both around Rocky's weight in the ring. Yarde, Smith etc, probably heavier.

At 185 in the ring, Marciano would have been at a very typical weight for a LHW today.

 

Leaving aside that there is no such thing as teleporting, your assertion is still wrong.

In his prime, his walking around weight ranged from 205 -215. As I mentioned earlier, he trained down to improve his stamina.
He fought as high as 193 lbs. Were he to be "teleported" to current times, he could easily weigh in at 200 and drop to 195 by next day,

So IF teleporting existed, and Rocky was teleported to 2025, he could choose to box as a Heavyweight or as a cruiser.

 

I'v never seen "modernness" on any tale of the tape.

Nor have I heard any commentator mention it when discussing skill, technique, power etc.

 

Brother, his peak weight was 184 lbs. He was NOT a heavyweight by todays standards. Its really simple lol.

 

No, he would have had to shed 30 - 40 lbs to make 175.

That might have some truth if you were starting at 175.
But if you were starting from 205 -215, that might be just beyond reach.
Or it might be just possible, but leave the fighter too weakened.

When I did judo in the seventies, my walk around weight was 152- 155.
I could drop to 143 (65 kg) by fasting and dehydrating for 24-35 hours before weigh-in, and this is the weight I competed at.

On one occasion, I tried to get down to 132 (60Kg).

I got down as far as 135, missed making 132, had to compete at 143, and felt like shyte.

Rocky might have been able to boil down all the way to 175, but probably not effectively.

Had he been able to reach that weight, why wouldn't he have grabbed both LHW and HW titles.

 

His peak weight in the ring was 193.
In the 1950s, that made him a Heavyweight.


IF he was 'teleported' to the present, he would best be described as a cruiserwt, a man who walks around between 205 and 215, and who fights at cruiser.

And regardless of all the twisted semantics, If you 'teleported' him to 2025, the version who reigned as HW champion would utterly destroy any version so far, of Benevidez.

 

Yeah, and 184 or 193 doesn't make him a heavyweight now. Whats so hard to understand?

 

To save typing again...

IF he was 'teleported' to the present, he would best be described as a cruiserwt, a man who walks around between 205 and 215, and who fights at cruiser.

 

He only had to shed 10 lbs of water, and then rehydrate that. What he shed before in fat doesn't matter. Once he had trained down to 195, he would only have to shed 10 lbs in water for the weigh in and then rehydrate it. Benavidez is also over 200 lbs before fights. Just like Marciano he sheds first through training and diet. But then he drains the last part and rehydrates. And Rocky could have done that without any problems.

He was around 185 in the ring, as is usual for a LHW today.

Crawford's weight before Horn was 176. He made 147 and beat the **** out of Horn. This is how fighters do it today and Rocky of course could too.

 

Right. Not a heavyweight. Thank you.

 

I've already explained to you the difficulties he would hav had in realistically making weight.
I included ny own efforts at dropping more weight than was realistically feasible.

If you can't grasp the point, I can't help you any further.

 

No, that's not what I said.

You said he wouldn't be allowed to fight as a Heavyweight.
I showed that he would.

He would best be described as a cruiser weight, but like Usyk, he could chose to fight as a cruiser or a heavy.

So to sumarize, he WAS a HW when he fought.

If you 'teleported him to the present' he would be a cruiser or a HW, not a LHW,

 

I think you pretend not to understand. He would just have to drop the last 10 lbs in water and then rehydrate. It would have been nothing special. This is what for example Benavidez does, who also walk around over 200.

Crawford's weight before starting camp for Horn was 176. He made 147 and beat the **** out of Horn. This is how fighters do it today and Rocky of course could too.

Rocky started his very last camp at 209 lbs, as reported in the media at the time. Since this was his last fight, that was likely the heaviest he ever was before camp. When he fought every second month he would have no time to blow up this much in weight.

He dropped about 20 lbs in camp. To make 175 he would have had to shed 13 lbs of water and then rehydrate that after the weigh-in.

Fighters do this all the time. Benavidez does this. It is standard.

His opponent, the LHW champion Archie Moore, was the same weight. And he made LHW without the day before weigh in.

 

He fought at 185-195 lbs in fighting shape. You can't weigh like that in the ring during a heavyweight bout, its not allowed. That's literally what most LHWs weigh on fight nights, even CWs are above 200 lbs for the most part, Marciano is a big LHW / small CW.

You're basically saying "yeah but if he got fat or bulked up he could be a heavyweght!". Right, that means he is not a heavyweight in the first place and needs to leave his optimal weight and body build to get there. Mayweather can eat himself up to 200 lbs and fight at heavyweight if he wants to, that doesn't make him a heavyweight.

Like it or not, prime Marciano was not a heavyweight. No amount of reaching will change this simple fact.

 

Usyk.