If we did a historical tournament in every weight class would half the winners come after year 2000

The "greatest" boxers are in the past.

But H2H it might well be a different story. I'd hate to be Joe Louis going against the Klitschkos or Lennox.

 

I'm going to murk up the waters here and add that if we're saying pound-for-pound, then the honest way to do that is to also go with what they are actually when they enter the ring, not what they can ring themselves out to with different strategies. This is going to change the weight classes at times, probably, and you'll be comparing a guy who might boss it at one weight but have proven little to nothing in the next weight. A good example would be Pacquiao, an enormous and psychopathic welterweight who KO'd every welterweight with one punch for literally decades before he had to have himself tested, then, due to cutting so much weight, he lost all of his KO power. But he'd likely have killed Ray Leonard, who was far smaller as a welterweight. That's just science. Look at the size of their heads.

 

Rahman II was in 2001 and that's one of his best performances.

 

No. And a lot of the post-2000 boxers would have to move up a weight class or two, as has already been noted.
Lightweights ("135") who are fighting in post-2000 at 150-160 pounds in the ring, are likely to be going against the welters or light-middles of previous eras.

 

I sometimes wonder how a Fury or Wlad would deal with ATG Joe Frazier's leaping left hook. Look what it did to Ali, totally decked him.

After thinking about it for a few years now I've concluded that Fury would probably just lean back and then uppercut Frazier's wide open head and hurt him very badly, leading to a stoppage soon after. And Wlad would just step back then land a single 'Eddie Chambers' special and leave Frazier out cold on the canvas.

So after solving that puzzle I began wondering how Joe Juggernaut would cope with that leaping left hook though.

I realised months later the hook would land but wouldn't do much and then Joe would just beat Frazier to a pulp.

Okay, but what about Zhang? He's basically a gatekeeper like Joyce and surely Joyce was just a bad matchup for Frazier's left hook.

Nah, I realised moments later Zhang would utterly destroy Frazier in a round.

I think Frazier is a good measuring stick for old HW capability. He was giving people hell back then.

 

do u understand styles make fights?

Frazier is a nightmare for any boxer type who isn't a massive puncher.

Fury isn't stopping Frazier. Fury isn't a puncher and stopping a fat Whyte won't do anything.

We can play the reverse game here too. Lamon Brewster wouldn't win a round vs Holmes and would be utterly demolished by Foreman yet he beat Wlad. Brewster's success vs Wlad despite his limited skills is proof of how poor the modern era is.

 

Zhang struggled badly with Jerry Forrest, for ****s sake, despite knocking him down a couple of time early.
And somehow he finishes Joe Frazier inside 1 round??

 

I'd agree with that opinion, with the caveat that Lewis aged pretty well, he didn't drop off that much towards the end.

 

He's a troll and he never responds to any of your points don't bother wasting your time.

He tried to compare Fury to Ali recently as an ATG and called Ali feather fisted and I destroyed his argument by saying Ali had as many stoppages as Fury had fights.

I don't even consider him a serious poster.

 

Joe Frazier would bulldoze Zhang's body in a couple rounds.

 

Lewis was a late bloomer. I would say he was in his prime from 1997 to 2001.