Full Heavyweight ATG list

I will do 5

1. Muhammad Ali - He won fights he had no business winning
2. George Foreman - This is extremly controversial,but he did beat Frazier, Norton and is the 45 year old heavyweight champion. Moorer gets ****,but he did beat Evander Holyfield, and that is no small feat because.
3.Evander Holyfield - He beat Riddick Bowe, He beat Mike Tyson, He beat Michael Moorer. Yes George was old, but Tyson ducked him. Mike didn't buy into the Cheese burger jokes Foreman made, and the rest of the divison stopped laughing after they saw what he did to Cooney
4.Joe Louis - This is blasphemous to a lot of people. He did fight some decent fighters, but his entire legacy is built on those 25 defenses and his historical significance. But still 25 Defenses is not a fing joke.
5.Larry - He cleaned out the division and he had a long reign and he was good.

I personally want to put Sonny Liston on this list because he is my favourite fighter and he did clean out the division until he rant into a skinny boy. But he just doesn't have much else.

Lennox is great too and he probably is in the top 10. But so much of his greatness is based around shot fighters. He could have fought Bowe,but he got knocked out by Mccall. As opposed to Ali who beat people he had no business beating. Lennox lost to fighters he had no business losing to. I am talking C-Level fighters. And unlike Mike where it happened once, to Lennox it happened twice

 

Color-line through Dempsey era
John L. Sullivan
Peter Jackson
Jim Corbett
Jim Jefferies
Jack Johnson
Sam Langford
Jack Dempsey
Harry Wills
Gene Tunney

Modern era
Joe Louis
Ezzard Charles
Joe Walcott
Rocky Marciano
Sonny Liston
Muhammed Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitschko
Oleksandr Usyk

Honorable mentions to Schmeling, Baer, Jeanette, McVey, Patterson, Fury, Joshua, Norton and Bowe.

 

1- Muhammad Ali

2- George Foreman

3- Joe Louis

4- Joe Frazier

5- Ken Norton

 

1) Ali
2) Foreman
3) Holmes
4) Louis
5) Lewis
6) Holyfield
7) Wlad
8) Usyk
9) Frazier
10) Liston

I just can’t line up anything pre-Liston/Louis.

 

1) Ali
2) Louis
3) Lewis
4) Foreman
5) Holmes
6) Wlad
7) Holyfield
8) Usyk
9) Frazier
10) Tyson

 

Vitaly is better than Wlad.

 

My top ten in an ATG accomplishments sense, not H2H:

1) Muhammad Ali
2) Joe Louis
3) Lennox Lewis
4) Larry Homes
5) Rocky Marciano
6) George Foreman
7) Evander Holyfield
8) Oleksandr Usyk
9) Joe Frazier
10) Mike Tyson

Just outside top ten for me: Wlad Klitschko, Jersey Joe Walcott, Jack Dempsey, Sonny Liston

My list changes regularly though, so don't judge me too harshly!

I think probably my biggest eyebrow-raiser is having Lennox above Holmes? I just feel LL's depth of resume and way he dispatched top contenders and dominated a very strong era in HW history puts him above here.

And obviously, having Usyk at number 8 I guess, being that he's still active and we don't have the benefit of hindsight to know where the fighters he fought end up. I just think the way he has closed the show on every rivalry at HW he's had without controversy, without any favouritism is extremely special. I don't think any other HW can say the same?

 

Possibly but Wlad did alot more in my view.

 

Vitali is very overrated at this point. He gets an easy excuse for his two losses from injuries and his fans get to say ‘he was up on the cards’ like he essentially won. But I had Byrd edging the fight when Vitali’s shoulder went. It was close, and Byrd was starting to take control. (Also, is it not the fact Byrd had him punching air that Vitali dislocated his shoulder?) And people forget to mention that Byrd took the fight on a week’s notice. Whereas Wlad schooled Byrd.

Same with the Lewis fight. Yes the cut was ‘lucky’ for Lewis. But Lewis was also turning the fight around and landing big shots on Vitali.

Vitali was very dominant other than that but the rest of his resume is abysmal. It’s only slightly better than Wilder’s(!). Easier to look good defending your titles against poor competition. Wlad’s resume and achievements are on a whole different level even if he often didn’t look as dominant.

 

Usyk
Ali
Holmes
Louis
Holyfield
Lewis
Tyson
Frazier
Wlad
Vitali

 

Vey close to perfect with your top six there, elgo.

The correct top six:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Lennox Lewis
4. George Foreman
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes.

 

Usyk
Ali
Louis
Marciano
Dempsey
W Klitschko
Foreman
Lewis
Holyfield
V Klitschko

 

So you're saying Byrd would beat Vitaly? Hmm...

And you're saying Wilder is better than Vitaly? Hmmmmmmm...

 

I never said Wilder is better than Vitali. I said Vitali has the better resume but only slightly, which is a knock against Vitali given that Wilder avoided any real challenges until Fury.

I do think Byrd beats Vitali tho. Like I said, I had Byrd in a slight lead in their fight when the stoppage came. At most Vitali was only a round ahead. The hometown judges were being generous. If Byrd had more than a week to prepare it would’ve been even worse for Vitali. Probably why he never went in for a rematch.