Who Fares Better Against Prime Holmes?

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I disagree Wladimir is a more challenging opponent for Holmes than Vitali is.

    Wladimir is a better technical boxer than Vitali with a great jab and a game changing right hand which Holmes could sometimes be suspect to.
     
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    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Nonsense.
     
  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holmes won 22 rounds out of the 23 rounds he boxed against Shavers outside of the knockdown in the 7th round.

    Norton is a come forward awkward fighter with a unique cross arm defence.

    Snipes again Holmes won every round outside of the knockdown round and Holmes actually finished the round stronger.

    Cooney is a much harder single puncher than Vitali and Holmes still beat him convincingly.

    Witherspoon like Norton has a unique cross arm defence which is nothing like a stand up robotic Vitali.

    Spinks is a smaller mobile Heavyweight with a tricky style plus Holmes was past his prime.

    Williams was also when Holmes was past his prime.
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not nonsense at all Byrd said Wladimir hit x3 harder than Vitali.

    Cooney is a considerably harder puncher than Vitali in regards to single punches.
     
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    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    There are levels to the game. Vitali was never down on the cards except for 1 round against Hide. Cooney got his ass kicked by Foreman and Spinks and never logged a serious win over a contender.
     
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    If you have to dig that hard, you shouldn't dig at all.

    I'm sure Holmes would find Vitali and Usyk to be "unique."
     
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    I've already said Usyk will be a very hard challenge for Holmes I'm not disagreeing with you on that.

    Usyk is a southpaw, very skillful, adaptable, with great movement.

    He would definitely give Holmes all he could handle.

    Vitali on the other hand is too slow, robotic/stiff, for me.

    Vitali has good workrate and a good chin so he would go the distance and win some rounds Holmes isn't unbeatable.

    But I feel like Holmes being the much more smoother/fluid boxer with good movement would be the difference.
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But here's my theory.

    Holmes floored Cooney early right ? I actually think if Holmes would've really jumped on Cooney when he was hurt he could've got him out of there.

    I think Cooney's power gave Holmes some pause and Holmes wanted to be a bit more cautious.

    Vitali doesn't have that type of power in regards to really game changing 1 punch KO power.

    Vitali wears opponents down with an accumulation of punishment and whilst he is quite heavy handed. I don't think his power is anything stand out and this is where a high KO ratio is a bit misleading in this case.

    Is Vitali a better opponent than Cooney ? Yes.

    But the power difference in regards to single punches is quite a bit different.
     
  9. Fergy

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    Holmes would find a counter on wlad at some point and eventually take him out.
    Vitality is far less likely to be caught clean and a lot, lot less likely to be stopped.
     
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    I'm not sure about that.

    Wladimir doesn't have a great chin granted.

    But if you actually examine Wladimir's stoppage loss.

    Puritty = Early in his career and that was more to do with stamina issues.

    Brewster = Again stamina issues Wladimir punched himself out after battering Brewster for 4 rounds.

    Sanders = Sanders blitzed him yes but Sanders is a very big puncher.

    Holmes has respectable power but he's not a really big puncher.

    This would be a battle of the jabs and Holmes would be up against a Super Heavyweight with a great jab like himself but Wladimir has KO power in his right hand which again Holmes could be suspect to.

    I think Wladimir's technical skills and right hand power makes him a much more formidable opponent against Holmes than Vitali would be.

    Vitali doesn't have a great jab he's robotic and too slow to beat a smoother faster mobile boxer like Holmes.
     
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    Neither beats him, I'm sure about that.
     
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  12. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I see a Vitali fight as perhaps longer and gruelling , I really don't see Wlad seeing the end, Holmes jab would soften him up before koing him or getting a wide decision.(If wlad s lucky)
     
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    This is the most accurate thing you've ever said. And I would know. Been there for all of it.
     
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    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Disagree there Fergy.

    I think Usyk wins a wide decision and a healthy Vitali is a 50-50.
     
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  15. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    I know a guy from my neighborhood that could have beaten prime Holmes