Did Sugar Ray Robinson Have Any Flaws?

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  1. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Please discuss. Thank you.
     
  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    I don't remember who said it, but somebody said, "he wasn't the fastest, and he didn't hit the hardest, but nobody put it all together like he did." Or something like that. Might be a slight paraphrase.

    But yeah, basically someone did a film analysis and concluded that Ali was faster. So I guess you could say that there was nothing exceptional about his actual physical attributes. He just had above average everything and was a master.
     
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  3. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    NO he didnt. And you dont have to be #1 in every single category. Thats impossible for any athlete in a top sport. But when you are clearly the best in Most of them, Thats all you need to be , to be the beat ever.

    Tom Brady cant run fast, didnt have the strongest arm ... example here. its the same thing
     
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  4. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    well, if you listen to some people,

    then yes, Time.

    however, he is the Greatest, of All-TIME!!!
     
  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    These old men come out on the forums talkin about ray rosbertsen everything but they aint even had a good movie about him
     
  6. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 OFFICIAL THREAD DIDDLER banned Full Member

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    I remember him saying he could've blocked and slipped more punches if he wanted to but he was... lazy??
     
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  7. Smoochie

    Smoochie Combat sports fanatic Full Member

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    Read this too, his defense definitely could be his problem I would say
     
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  8. META5

    META5 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He took more punches from inferior fighters than was necessary but I see it as a compromise to be in better offensive positions.

    Some of his welterweight footage shows that he relied more on head movement and slipping than traditional hand and glove placement to block and parry. At the time he started his career, this isn't unusual.

    Also, mindful that during his time, as a Black fighter, to be a big draw, you had to be offensive, had to be exciting, otherwise, you could well end up like Burley and the other heavily avoided Black greats.

    If there was a weakness to Robbi's game, you would argue that he sacrificed defensive responsibility and could therefore be hit with less than elite jabs and bullied somewhat on the inside by admittedly world class and elite inside fighters.

    However, as said previously, who else put it all together better than Sucre?
     
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  9. Yorbals

    Yorbals Boxing Addict Full Member

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    From what I’ve seen would have to agree on neglecting defence a bit in favour of offense.
     
  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He sometimes allowed fighters to close strong.

    Basilio surged in the later rounds to win the middleweight championship. So did Turpin in their first fight. Olson apparently finished well in their second contest. Obviously, the Maxim fight can be cited as an example even taking into account mitigating circumstances.

    Didn't happen all the time, but occasionally being supremely talented meant that he could be caught out when things didn't completely go his way.
     
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  11. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Call me crazy but I think Ray Robinson’ s toughest fight at 147 …is Wilfred Benetiz….because Benetiz is one of the best COUNTER PUNCHERS of all time…. I’m not saying Benetiz would win …but if I had to pick an opponent to make him look bad
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    On the inside, he doesn't show strength particularly. He wasn't weak, but he was not strong. He found ways to deal with this - check out the right hand to the body against LaMotta, that very much made LaMotta think twice about coming inside i'd bet - but if you could subdue the movement a bit you might be able to get him under control inside.
     
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  13. Yorbals

    Yorbals Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who would have the best chance with him out of Leonard, Hearns, Duran and Benitez ? At welter
     
  14. Blaxx

    Blaxx Active Member banned Full Member

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    No flaws at all in my opinion, just some aspects that were less than stellar. His defense is the first culprit of this but I'd say that's a victim of style rather than ability - such an offensive fighter is going to create openings for his opponents offense to land. I don't think there's any aspect of defense that SRR hadn't mastered (in isolation). The sequence leading up to the Rocky Graziano knockout is perfect evidence - brilliant footwork, parry and slip before he positions himself for the KO.
     
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Hearns has a really, really good chance, I think Robinson would have to change up to get the job done - a lot like Leonard did.
     
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