Why is Mayweather not the greatest of all time?

So, masks then. Lol

 

Great reply, thanks man. Maybe I haven't watched enough of Hearns! Mayweather v Benitez would have been another great fight. Px

 

This guy is something else.

 

There is no pharmacological masking taking place.

And he used it for hydration for all you know.

 

Great post - echoes my point.

PBF was an absolute H2H beast at 130 lbs and barring shoulder issue and hand issues, could bang and show up from 130 - 140 lbs. Floyd as Money Mayweather at 147 lbs, however, wasn't the same offensive fighter. Efficient, just did enough but didn't stand toe to toe and had someone like a Zab have better mental resilience and ring IQ, he could've very well handed Floyd a definitive loss.

Tommy wasn't beat by standing off him and simply trying to counter - Benitez did that and couldn't mount up a significant enough offence. In every fight that Tommy was beaten into resignation up to MW, the other fighter has had to suffer. Leonard nearly lost a retina, Hagler was cut and took absolute laser bombs. Floyd isn't doing that and he would likely have to - Tommy is faster handed and maybe up to several tiers harder punching. It's not a good fight for WW Floyd - not at all.

 

I don’t think that you really believe this.

He can’t have been dehydrated. And you more than anyone else on this forum, always states how Floyd never had weight issues and was always in great shape.

So we know he wasn’t dehydrated.


Now, if he had’ve been, he’d have just simply took oral fluids.

A drink.


An IV is only used in a situation which is classed as being an emergency.

It’s classed as a medical emergency, where it’s administered in a medical facility by a professional.


Now Floyd had it at home, without reporting it.


So why you would think that it was legit in any way, simply defies logic.

 

Great post.

I have no issue with anyone rating Floyd higher.

But it would have been a terrible stylistic match up for Floyd.

He hasn’t got the attributes needed to have beaten him.

It’s why the sport is so intriguing.

Look at Barkley.

Floyd was levels above.

Yet he simply lacked the attributes that Barkley had.

It’s not about who the best/most skilled fighter is/was.

It’s how they match up on the night stylistically.

Look at Canelo and Maidana.

Then look at the fights against Floyd.

The sport is simply fascinating.

 

I know that after an extreme workout back in the day, at times I became so dehydrated that I couldn’t urinate. Not making an excuse for Mayweather, just saying.

 

Even if true, having it retrospectively added to a contract, reported weeks after a fight and for a fighter who's so meticulous in the gym and with taking care of himself seems strange no?

Almost as if it were intentionally done.

Btw, I'm one of very few who likely isn't opposed to controlled access to performance enhancement for all elite athletes in combat sports. They already sign up to put their health on the line - it's already being done and the absolute best do anything it takes to avoid detection - look at Lance Armstrong and our very own Evan Fields - so why not just regulate it and be done with it? Lesser of two evils and all that.

The casual fight fan wants to see blood and carnage in the ring - they want the best to fight the very best and often. Well, Greb, Langford and the likes are the exception and not the rule. If we want today's fighter to replicate the heroes of past, something has to give - let them all 'cheat' and may the best cheaters prosper.

 

I don’t doubt it.

But this situation was vastly different.

Floyd easily made weight.

The hard work had been done in that last week.

Again, if he’d have legitimately have been dehydrated, he’d have simply had a drink.

An IV is for severe dehydration, what’s classed as an emergency.

Nobody knowledgeable is going to believe Floyd’s reasoning.

And the situation was made worse by him having it at home and not reporting it.

You had a situation where the NSAC, who hosted the richest fight in history, literally had no knowledge of it, until 3 weeks after the fight.

How can that be legit it in any way whatsoever?

It was a joke.

 

Just reciting my personal experience. Given the way Mayweather trained and fought, I really don’t see any advantage PEDs would have given him. What people seem to forget, it wasn’t Mayweather’s refusal for testing that delayed the Pac fight.

 

Styles make fights and this is exactly why you could argue that the fights Floyd has taken may very well make him appear to be the most skilled fighter on film.

I do draw the distinction with who did he really face, what was their condition on fight night and stylistically, what were their true chances? I don't see very many on the résumé that should test him and it bore true. However, there is certainly a level of skill in the come forward fighter that's slipping punches on the way to the inside like what Duran used to show at his best that eclipses what the boxers and boxer-punchers routinely demonstrate.

In the same way that styles make fights, I also think that styles influence how the average fight fan analyses skill.

I once said on this forum that most of us don't have the ability to truly watch the tape and analyse the skills, styles and nuances on display and then for those of us that can, the majority likely don't have the relevant literary skill to describe what they're seeing and educate others on what's transpiring. It has a massive impact when we debate these things.

 

Pac most likely took stuff. May likely took something at some point or the other.

Fight should've taken place much earlier - would've had more meaning. Both parties have their share of blame IMO.

 

Just being the devil’s advocate (lol), professional athletes get iv’s all the time during contests to get relief from dehydration. I suspect they are more efficient than just ingesting water.

 

You don't see how performance enhancing drugs could have enhanced his performance?

The right performance enhancing drugs would have, or actually have, enhanced the performance of every boxer ever.