Why is Mayweather not the greatest of all time?

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  1. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    That's a fair opinion to hold, but one that seems unique among boxing fans among the other sports. Conditions were harder and more brutal at times, for NFL players in the 60s and 70s, yet most view modern NFL players as being at a higher level due to sport development.

    There's no right or wrong answer to that but it's interesting to me.
     
  2. cslb

    cslb Puerto Rican Uppercut Full Member

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    Neither you or I can make the IV legal or illegal. We have our opinions but the only opinion that counts is the boxing authority and they determined that the IV was legal. Just saying.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    They didn’t.

    They were just put in a terrible predicament.

    Floyd actually broke a number of laws.
     
  4. cslb

    cslb Puerto Rican Uppercut Full Member

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    Oh? I thought the IV was retroactively approved. Maybe I am mistaken.
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It was illegal and then Floyd was caught with it and they changed their minds. Still illegal when he used it and still no other reason to use it other than flushing PEDs. Two, three tall drinks of water was all he needed to rehydrate.
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was a mess.

    Officially, he broke several rules.

    But also officially, he was cleared.


    The NSAC basically had their hands tied.


    The USADA contract that Floyd had was worthless.

    And USADA only notified the NSAC, 3 weeks after the fight.


    Basically, the NSAC were left with 2 options:

    1. To try and open up a full investigation.

    2. To let it go and sweep it under the carpet.


    They chose the 2nd option, because it was the best outcome for the state, and big time boxing in the casinos.


    An IV of that magnitude is banned by both WADA and VADA.

    Having it administered at home was illegal.

    Not having an official doctor there was illegal.

    Not reporting it straight away was illegal.


    So Floyd broke lots of official rules.

    But the NSAC issued a statement, basically saying that they were upset by his actions, but they weren’t taking it any further.


    The biggest joke, was Floyd wanting a retroactive TUE clause adding to his USADA contract, before he’d even began camp.

    What does that tell you?

    Who would want such a thing putting in?
     
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  7. cslb

    cslb Puerto Rican Uppercut Full Member

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    lol They changed their minds. Ultimately it was found to be legal. I am not a fan of Mayweather the man but I detect some hating from some of the posts on here. Since he or Pac never tested dirty, I won’t call either one a cheater.
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was a mess.

    Officially, he broke several rules.

    But also officially, he was cleared.


    The NSAC basically had their hands tied.


    The USADA contract that Floyd had was worthless.

    And USADA only notified the NSAC, 3 weeks after the fight.


    Basically, the NSAC were left with 2 options:

    1. To try and open up a full investigation.

    2. To let it go and sweep it under the carpet.


    They chose the 2nd option, because it was the best outcome for the state, and big time boxing in the casinos.


    An IV of that magnitude is banned by both WADA and VADA.

    Having it administered at home was illegal.

    Not having an official doctor there was illegal.

    Not reporting it straight away was illegal.


    So Floyd broke lots of official rules.

    But the NSAC issued a statement, basically saying that they were upset by his actions, but they weren’t taking it any further.


    The biggest joke, was Floyd wanting a retroactive TUE clause adding to his USADA contract, before he’d even began.

    What does that tell you?

    Who would want such a thing putting in?
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Read this:

    https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

    It’s very interesting.

    Also, very worrying.
     
  10. cslb

    cslb Puerto Rican Uppercut Full Member

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  11. META5

    META5 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Unfortunately, in professional sports, testing dirty isn't the threshold. Many of the elites test dirty informally and do what it takes behind the scenes to get away with it.

    Conor Benn allegedly ate contaminated eggs. Ubereem ate horsemeat. Lance Armstrong spoke out against performance enhancement and had the most sophisticated and blatantly egregious set up on the circuit.

    Many of my fellow Arsenal FC supporters long suspect that some of our favourite players having long, inexplicable injuries is to get them through rehab/serve a club ban as they've been caught before the disrepute of having an official test and ban.

    Floyd, Pac, Roy, Evan, Toney - whomever are more than capable of testing for banned, making it go away or having sophisticated enough programmes and/or prior knowledge to beat the tests.
     
  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Read it in its entirety when you have the time.

    You can’t skim read something like that.

    You’ll be amazed at some of the things in there.

    It’s not a biased article that bashes Floyd either.

    It’s very informative, with lots of other fighters mentioned.
     
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  13. cslb

    cslb Puerto Rican Uppercut Full Member

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    Alvarez got caught when he was the biggest name in boxing. I agree with what you are saying but personally I wait until someone is caught before I call them a cheat.
     
  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Again and for the last time: He used something that he only needed to flush PEDs. You do the math from there.
     
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  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    This is false. A retroactive TUE is like a challenging a speeding ticket and winning.