Rank Ray Leonard Thomas Hearns Floyd Mayweather Terence Crawford

It’s what Gemini said. I think he put on more.

Crawford, of course, was fighting at 154 for Madrimov. He was the smaller man. I was there.

 

It’s telling that you’ve managed to construct two different ways of looking at a resume without looking at loses. Crawford had the better career because he won all of his fights.

 

You cited late 150's at WW for Porter on fight night. Crawford is recorded as 157lbs on fight night at LWW and 170lbs at LMW. Splitting the difference, he'd have likely been around 163lbs vs Porter. About 5lbs heavier than your claim for Porter.

Crawford is about the same height as Madrimov, with a longer reach and was just slightly heavier on fight night. That said, I could buy that Madrimov, as the naturally stockier guy, had a slightly higher natural fighting weight.

 

It's telling that after beginning my answer to Loudon's question as to who had the better resume with - 1) "Better resume, as in opposition regardless of results?" and 2) "Better win resume?"; that you don't understand the significance of me going on to add - 3) "Who will I rank higher" is because I factor losses into the latter (as per my first paragraph in post #103 of this thread).

 

Shawn Porter Yordenis Ugas 147.0 166.0 +19.0 CSAC
Shawn Porter Sebastian Formella 146.6 162.2 +15.6 CSAC
Shawn Porter Errol Spence Jr. 147.0 166.0* ~+19.0 Estimate
Shawn PorterTerence Crawford146.6~165.0*~+18.4Estimate
Terence Crawford Israil Madrimov 153.4 169.6 +16.2 CSAC
Terence Crawford Errol Spence Jr. 146.8 165.0* ~+18.2 Unofficial
Terence Crawford Shawn Porter 146.4 165.0* ~+18.6 Unofficial

per Gemini

It would’ve been interesting to see Porter move up. The guy couldn’t have gone anywhere near 135 like Bud did.

 

1) The two higher weights you cite for Porter are estimates.
2) You stated that Porter is "A lot bigger" than Crawford. When challenged on that assertion by Loudon, you cite their respective fight night weights. When subsequently challenged by me, you post estimates of fight night weights where, even discarding Crawford's LMW contest, the average of their WW's contests is higher for Crawford than it is for Porter.

In an attempt to support your assertion, you make a post that directly contradicts it.

Frankly, you disappoint me. I could swear you used to put more effort into your trolling than you do now. It's like your heart isn't in it anymore.

 

I stand by what my eyes saw and that Crawford spent half of his career below 147.

 

SRL
Hearns
Floyd
Crawford

 

Crawford will almost certainly end up going down as greater than Hearns. Fighters these days fight less often but nobody penalizes Leonard and Hearns for fighting less frequenty than their predecessors.

 

Still the same dismissive ass you've always been. I guess some things never change

 

Well, actually I do.

With his signature wins, what stops Leonard from being in the Top 10, arguably Top 5, he's certainly more skilled than Ali, yet ranks lower for mine - his résumé isn't stacked. Top quality wins are amongst the finest in history, but relatively inactive career compared to his predecessors and even contemporaries.

With Bud, it's not just relative lack of fights, it's relative lack of credible wins against excellent fighters.

 

Happy New Year

 

He beat Benitez.

Yeah, he doesn’t have any bad moments. But then he never fought the same level of competition.

He’s undoubtedly a great fighter. However, it’s highly unlikely that he’d still be undefeated had he have trodden that same path.

 

Did he win that fight?

We’re talking here about a prime version of Marvin Hagler.

How many MW’s in history could have beaten a prime Marvin Hagler?

It wasn’t just some average fight.

Duran gave Marvin a great fight.

That version of Duran, who was in shape and motivated, was still a great, great fighter.

Marvin showed him a great deal of respect.

Spence didn’t look great against Ugas, and Ugas was never a great fighter.

I’m bending the truth to suit my agenda?

Are you trolling?

You’ve been doing that for years.