Usyk parts ways with Riyadh Season; Wilder fight on PBC?

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  1. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He’s turning 40 next month and is still getting better.
     
  2. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    desire makes for great fights, these youngsters are hungry to make their mark. and they are tough young bulls. not easily discouraged. they know they aren't going outbox usyk, so you play to your strengths, and press your advantages. a good coach can show you how to best do that against this particular boxer.
     
  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    Turning 39 on the 17th.
     
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  4. PrimoGT

    PrimoGT Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It was 7 fights actually. And 4 opponents (3 ranked opponents). These are facts.
    No, I didn't forget his cruiser career. Include it by all means, but none of them were proper heavyweight contenders.
    I wouldn't list "Qawi, Tillman, Parkey, DeLeon" among Evander Holyfield's credentials to be heavyweight great either. And we know he doesn't need them.

    The facts are Usyk hasn't cleaned up, and hasn't defeated any young or prime undefeated challengers above 200 pounds. Now, people are saying he doesn't have to, and he can go off and fight some shot, old, more-often-that-not-now defeated Wilder.
    Both Wardley AND Kabayel are credible, very credible, challengers still probably (certainly Wardley) in their primes.

    It's not all Usyk's fault that some credible boxers over the past 5 years at heavyweight didn't get title shots. Not Usyk's fault at all. But in 2025 and 2026 he has been in a position to give one or two very deserving guys a shot, and he's looking the other way.

    These are just facts.
     
  5. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    They don't have to be heavyweight contenders. The facts, again, are that Usyk has had 13 title fights, 11 against fellow titlists. He is great. That is all. If you think he is not a great heavy...who cares? So he's a great cruiser who has beaten the best heavies on earth. Distinction without a difference.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Usyk was 4 months shy of turning 35 when he won his 1st HW title(s)

    He is the oldest undisputed HW champ ever

    The 2nd oldest unified one

    And in 3 weeks time he will become the 4th oldest HW champ ever

    How many HW champions in the history of the sport have actually won world title fight at HW at Usyk's age or rather the age he will be in 2 months from now?

    The answer is 3 but it will only be 2 in less than 2 months time

    2 EVER and they were 240-250lb + giants with KO91% and KO89% respectively

    And obviously Usyk had to agree to give rematches to 2 of the opponents he fought x 2 and he rematched Dubois to silence the doubters and controversy in the 1st fight and it was a unification match up against another reigning champ

    There has also been this trifling little matter going on for years of his country having been at war after it was invaded and Covid too

    He's about to turn 39 in a couple of weeks, an age when most fighters are long retired or shot or well past their best. He cleaned out CW and then he proceeded to clean out all the top dogs at HW ie. the champs and the highest rated contenders B2B during his reign with the only exception being his mandatory and now he's decided to take ONE 'soft touch' at 39 y/o after a career taking on the best and tough touches B2B sans the extremely late notice sub on his HW debut it's a massive problem.

    A massive problem even though all the HW greats who came before him have a lot of filler on their CVs and fought many soft touches in their primes who were such soft touches and so hopelessly overmatched they stood zero chance of winning, not even the proverbial puncher's chance.

    Usyk's 'soft touch' when an old man himself, literally one of the oldest HW champs ever, sports a KO 97% and has knocked or stopped every man he's ever beaten (43 KOs in 44 wins) and is infinitely more dangerous than the soft touches they fought in their PRIMES

    This is ONE fight for goodness sake. At least wait and see what Usyk opts to do after it before you crucify him on a molten cross.

    As said who can begrudge this of Usyk of all people his conduct in an out of the ring has been downright exemplary, borderline saintly even and he has racked up so many grace points through said conduct that if he donated just 2% of them to the biggest cherrypickers, duckers and scumbags in the history of the sport it would be more than enough to absolve them of all their wrongdoings

    And the CW/HW thing is amusing when you factor in that the 2nd biggest guy Ali ever fought would be the 2nd smallest HW Usyk ever fought and a lot of these HWs from previous eras and in particular certain eras fought lots of HWs who were way or much smaller than them and many of the HWs they fought weighed less or a lot less than the CWs Usyk fought. Usyk has been fighting guys his size, bigger, much or way bigger and rarely any smaller guys :facepalm:
     
  7. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    absolutely that’s what’s going on here. Turki would make the Wardley fight for big money in a heartbeat. But now Usyk wants to fight Wilder and Turki is like “the ****?”

    look, Usyk has nothing else to prove. He’s been 100% pure class. But if he wants to spend the rest of his career fighting American has beens, drop the belts. Giving Wilder a title shot over Kabayel is sort of an insult to the sport.
     
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  8. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Indeed . Nobody would say a word when usyk would drop the belts and then do some low profile fights for fun . Its also a shame wbc supports this ukrainian game .
     
  9. Cyrion

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    He already dropped a belt for Wardley. The WBC granted him a voluntary defense against Wilder. The IBF/WBA haven't called him for a mandatory. He's following the rules. If you have a problem with it, you need to direct your ire at Maricio and the sanctioning bodies.

    It's obvious why Usyk is doing all this. Wardley doesn't deserve ****. He got gifted a stoppage by the worst ref in the business. His resume is a bunch of domestic level guys, a prospect level guy who beat his ass for 99.9% of their fight, and coked up Parker. Kabayel has a legit resume, but he's a nobody, unfortunately. No money to be made with him whatsoever.

    Coming to America gets Usyk's name out there and it lets him talk up the war and what's going on in Ukraine. His country is still in the **** and kinda needs the backing of the USA. Our shitbird, pedophile, Putin stooge of a President has been waffling on that support for an entire year. Usyk fighting over here puts all that out in the news and maybe gins up some more support. Throw in getting to finish off the 3rd big name of the era, regardless of how washed he is, and it's an easy decision.

    And for the people saying Turki would obviously shell out tons of money for a fight with Wardley, nonsense. Turki said absolutely no money for a fight with Parker who is much more well known and liked than Wardley. The only guy he has ever mentioned paying Usyk to fight at this point is Itauma. Yet another guy who doesn't deserve a fight (at this point) with Usyk. Usyk is a man alone. He has no rivals left. He's done it all. At this point it's just throwing bones to guys where he doesn't get what he's worth. Though I imagine after his Wilder pit-stop he'll manage to find a legitimate fight to participate in. This is Usyk we're talking about. His entire career has been him finding tough fights, putting himself in the hardest positions, and coming out on top anyway because he's just that special.
     
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  10. ubareem

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    Kabayel and his team have done an absolutely horrendous marketing job, and now he's fighting a dude (Knyba) whose best win is Richard Lartey.

    The only two interesting fights for Usyk are Wardley and Itauma, and none of them deserve to fight Usyk right now.

    Wilder and Ruiz are both bigger names and purses, and a way to gain some notoriety from dismissive American pundits and fans. From purely a marketing perspective this move makes sense.

    But would I rather see him fight a Wardley. Itauma or Kabayel instead of Wilder?
    Definitely.
     
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  11. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back banned Full Member

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    Aha it's all become clear now
    Your Russian
     
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  12. Bubba

    Bubba Pay $5 month or they will let me out of the cage Full Member

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    After Wilder and Ruiz, Usyk can fight Benavidez next year
     
  13. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    John Fury's a Russian?
     
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  14. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    No, beacuse there is zero money in those fights.

    If you believe he couldn't beat Wardley and Itauma, then reconsider your understanding of boxing.

    Usyk has fought difficult opponents fight after fight since the start of the CW World Series of Boxing. Chad Witherspoon was possibly the easiest, and he was a last minute replacement for Usyk's first fight at HW - a guy who significantly outweighed Usyk.

    Usyk is obviously looking to gain more viewers in the USA, and Deontay Wilder is the right opponent. Why does he want to open up the US market? Maybe he wants to do a Jake Paul fight later? Maybe something else. Regardless, it isn't ducking.
     
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  15. catchwtboxing

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    Turned out to be bull****.

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