Johnson vs Willard weather

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  1. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Finally found some data regarding the weather in Havana the day of the fight (April 5, 1915). Look at the international areas mid page. 64 degrees “dry bulb” (which means ambient temperature not accounting for humidity) and partly cloudy. Looking at the other temperatures from other cities this 64 degree result I believe represents average daylight temperature with max temperature being 8-12 degrees higher. So ambient temperature would be around 74 degrees F with ring temperature accounting for perhaps ten degrees higher than this as a guesstimate (white ring canvas reflecting the heat and sun). Havana is tropical so perhaps a 60% humidity level for an April afternoon. The fight began around 1-2 PM.

    https://glenallenweather.com/upload/richmondclimate/richsnow/04apr/1915-4-6.pdf
     
  2. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The high in Key West Florida, which is only100 miles north from Havana, on April 5th 1915 was 70 degrees F so the 74 degree estimate for Havana sounds about right. Ring temperature would be higher due to heat/sun reflecting off the white ring canvas. Perhaps 80-85 F? So hot but not blistering.
     
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    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great research, thank you. 80-85 F, some heat for a possible 45 rounder, with a lump like Willard bearing down on you!
     
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  4. RockyValdez

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    But it was cloudy and there was a light rain in the early afternoon. It was described locally as ideal weather for the event. So your estimates are too high and still far lower than 115 degrees that Willard claimed.
     
  5. Fergy

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    Let's just say it was bloody hot !
     
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  6. RockyValdez

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    Hot for who? Eskimos? 70-80 degrees on a cloudy day in an era when there was no air conditioning is downright comfortable. Lets face it, old timers exaggerated.
     
  7. mcvey

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    I've been in Havana in the 1st week of April,my hotel was 3 streets off of the Malecon,[sea front],the humidity is very high ,I changed my T shirt and shorts 3 times a day,and I was only walking around.
     
  8. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again it was 70 degrees in Key west that day and Havana is typically 2-4 degrees hotter. So 74 degree ambient temperature would be about right. Add to this humidity, add to this the suns reflection of heat/light off the ring canvas. As per a newspaper report from Havana that day although it was cloudy earlier “by afternoon the sun shined hotly upon the ring canvas”. Fight started 1-2 PM.
     
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  9. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But you had eight pints of beer....
     
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  10. RockyValdez

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  11. RockyValdez

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    Right, 74 degrees is not hot, even with humidity. Its also 40 degrees cooler than what has been claimed. FORTY DEGREES. Its not like anybody had AC back then, both these men were acclimated to fighting under these conditions. The stories of it being unbearably hot arent backed up by anyone who was actually there other than Willard who was embellishing it. Remember, Johnson had fought in the desert, in July, more than once. Cuba in April would be a cakewalk temperature-wise.
     
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  12. RockyValdez

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    Arent you from a place that has an average temperature far lower than Cuba and an average humidty far lower as well? That might inform your opinion.

    The temperature that day was described as ideal for a boxing match by the press. Barring the length of the fight both fighters had fought under hotter conditions than what they experienced in Cuba.
     
  13. crixus85

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    Page 377, Unforgivable Blackness, “By one o’clock, when the contest was scheduled to begin, the ringside temperature would be nearing 105 degrees.”
    Later, on page 378, “fierce heat,” is mentioned.
    Johnson, years before, certainly had fought in the desert against Jeffries and Flynn. However in 1915, he was in poor condition, for reasons well known, facing a much bigger, younger contender.
     
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  14. RockyValdez

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    I wouldnt use unforgiveable blackness as a source on anything. The facts dont lie, it was nowhere near 100 degrees that day.

    A quick google search would tell you that 105 degrees would have obliterated the record that was set for highest temp there in 2020 after over a century of global warming. My information comes from the first hand sources, not a hack like Ward with a paid agenda.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    I've travelled all over the world,so I think I know when its hot and humid,I have no dog in this fight,so maybe we can go by Willard's ," it was hotter than hell in there?" Why would he lie?
     
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