Your most overrated/underrated fighters

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  1. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Who are a few of your most overrated and underrated/overlooked fighters. Champs or contenders doesn't matter which
     
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  2. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    Bhop
    Jake
    Usyk
    RJJ, though pretty special for a while.
    Turpin

    you could go on & on really, but the most overrated of all-time has got to be TYSON FURY,
    a fighter who was protected & placed into position in the first place, he should never have been given the chance, he never earned it, nor was he qualified to mix at the Top...

    it does prove a point however, that lesser fighters, and in his case a much lesser fighter, it proves given the chance, many could eke out or spoil out a strap.

    just think of how many great contenders would have died for the chance... Lloyd Marshall.

    anyway, you could list dozens & dozens for both categories,
    sadly, the Business is Corruption, protection and placement, for far, far too many.

    Boxing History could absolutely be rewritten.
     
  3. Lonsdale81

    Lonsdale81 Active Member Full Member

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    Jimmy Mclarnin most underrated
     
  4. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    Corbett gets seriously underrated, the man was unconventional to say the least but you'd think my infant cousin could beat the guy with how he's talked about around here.

    I think a lot of people would be surprised at how bad Corbett would make their favourite fighter look, unconventionality pays off.
     
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  5. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Overrated I think DelaHoya. He was a superstar before he even turned pro. He won belts in the lower classes beating guys like Jimmy Bredhal and Rafael Ruelas.

    After he got to Welterweight he didnt have the size advantage things changed. Oscar was a very good fighter, very good talent that imo didnt develop it to full potential.

    He didnt have to develop his talent, he was already a star. DelaHoya changed trainers every few fights which led to a lack of ring identity.

    He might have been better off if he got the L from the SweetPea bout or at least a Draw. Gone back to the drawing board and worked on his right hand, learned to relax in the ring, increase his stamina.
    Oscar lost most of his biggest fights from '47 and up.

    Underrated- Joel Casamayor, Joel was a respected contender and champion but he never seemed get the credit he'd earned.

    The guy fought alot of good boxers. Freitas came to America behind alot of hype, the Next Duran they told us.
    Casamayor I thought beat him.

    Joel could box and he could punch some. He knew how to handle himself on the inside if things got rough.

    A good talent, a complete fighter who was a rough nite for everyone he got in the ring with.

    Some of the things I said about Casa also go to John John Molina.
     
  6. SixesAndSevens

    SixesAndSevens Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire Full Member

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    Most overrated: Corbett
    Most underrated: Melankomas' baby cousin
     
  7. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    Out of the fighters mentioned very high on many all time lists, Barney Ross was the most disappointing to me on tape. I understand his resume is very impressive and He had to have something about him, but He does look crude and basic in a lot of ways, what in my mind put in question entire era of Lightweights and Welterweights He competed against.
    The way genuine great in Henry Armstrong basically run him out of the ring is not so surprising in that context.

    Underrated.. I think Antonio Tarver is not as respected as He should, with the focus being on him beating faded Roy Jones. While Roy was past his prime, I still think He was very capable - and peak Glen Johnson and Eric Harding are also excellent wins, so it's not like Tarver was a one hit wonder.

    I also think that Fernando Montiel and Gerry Penalosa are more deserving of being on the Hall Of Fame Ballots than many of the other fighters who are there, so They are also relatively underrated.
     
  8. Yorbals

    Yorbals Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Honestly I think Fitzsimmons gets overrrated a bit. Early Ko losses, life and death with his main Australian middleweight rival in his prime.
    Not the best record ever.
    He beat a much smaller guy to win the middleweight championship, two best wins were when he was old so great longevity, Corbett being one of them, but they were both old.
    I see him rated often with Greb and Robinson etc, I don’t know if he should be rated that high.

    Mayweather and Pac both get overrated, I can’t be bothered going in to those two.
    Used to think de la Hoya as well actually I’m not sure, he nearly beat Mayweather while old, Mosley fights, koing Mayorga, he could surprise you. A weirdo definitely but whatever.

    Underrated , Calzaghe, Spinks, Loi, Golovkin
     
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  9. META5

    META5 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pep gets rightly rated for his defensive brilliance but offensively, outside of not being a spark em out fighter, I find him remarkable to watch and would dare say his offence is underrated.

    You can see how consistently he spins his man onto the ropes or into corners, unloading with double and triple jabs, hooking off the jab, wicked combinations and superb balance.

    An absolutely fantastic fighter to watch on film.
     
  10. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Overrated Mike Tyson, Marvin Hagler, Joe Calzaghe, Julio Cesar Chavez, Vitali Klitschko

    Underrated Marlon Starling, Keith Thurman, Pinklon Thomas, Chris Byrd, Shawn Porter,
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Overrated:

    Heavyweights

    Top 3 Underrated:

    Sixto Escobar - sorrowful paper record turns a lot of people away and it's not like the internet is awash with footage and h/l packages but between 1934 when he landed on mainland American shores, and 1939 when he made the weight for the final time, Escobar lost just two contests at bantamweight, both against world class operators, both avenged. The first of these came against the deadly Lou Salica, who defeated him by the narrowest margin imaginable when the referee (who had scored the fight a draw) declared Salica the winner based upon his apparent superior physical condition at the bell. Escobar hit the canvas in the rematch three months later but clambered up to avenge himself by clear decision, a result he repeated when they met in a rubber match two years later. The other man to pull the trick at 118lbs was Harry Jeffra who dominated Escobar in a five fight series that stretched from 1936 to 1940, but most of his successes came up at featherweight – in the bantamweight division, Escobar went 1-1. At BW Escobar had one of the weirdest peaks in fight history. He was the best bantam in the world from 36 through 39 and is 5-1 in legit title fights. All time top twenty at the weight I say.

    Lou Salica - Salica has an even more under-celebrated run at bantamweight and may be the most underrated fighter in all of boxing history. His 1934 victory over the iron-chinned Korean contender Joe Tei Ken was where it all began, but, while he was already scrappy (Salica dropped Ken in the eighth) nobody could have predicted the criminality that Salica was about to perpetrate against the bantamweight division. The highly ranked “Young” Tommy went next, again out-pointed over ten, this time in something of a surprise, before Speedy Dado put an (unavenged) speed bump in the road. This was understandable; when he out-pointed Indian Quintana in December he had matched his fourth name bantamweight in as many months. Just 23-2-2 he was ushered, probably prematurely, into an alphabet strap contest with the legendary Midget Wolgast. Wolgast had already defeated a green Salica but that had been the year before. In 1935 the real Salica emerged. He found Wolgast in the sixth, hammered him, dropped him, and took the fight by a shade. He was now ranked the #2 bantamweight contender in the world and would spend an astonishing decade among the top four. Salica was only champion as seen by California; Baltasar Sangchili was the real champion. When strapholders milk their belt for cash at low risk, it reveals the paper champion for what he is and the “title” he holds for what it is. But Salica, instead, fought the best in the world. Pablo Dano, then among the three best fighters in the world went first; Salica, as was by then almost his habit, outboxed him over ten, separating himself from his game challenger by dropping him in the ninth. Finding a tougher challenge would be hard, but Salica managed it – he outpointed Sixto Escobar in a fight so desperately narrow a pinhead could barely pass between. Escobar won a pair of rematches, and then Salica won the legitimate championship of the world. Already sporting an entire career under his belt it is arguably the case that he only now got started in earnest. Contenders continued to fall away from him, and then he ran up against a youthful Manuel Ortiz. Salica shaded him. After picking up the vacant lineal championship in a unification fight with Georgie Pace, Salica fought a trilogy with the top contender, Tommy Forte, going 2-1, at which point he began to slip. By the end of that career he was known less for scrappy persistence and more for generalship, smarts and good feet, which tells a story. Basically as good as it gets without being a clear top 10 all-time bantamweight, his overall win resume is comparable with all those guys and maybe better than some. Hardly a whisper about him though.

    Freddie Miller - Top ten all-but lock in the history of the featherweight division for me and hardly a peep about this guy. Can be credited with 200 wins, Freddie. 200, man, he was a machine. He assassinated the featherweight division of the 1930s. No fighter ranked at the summit for longer during that decade than Miller, not Kid Chocolate, not Battling Battalino, not Henry Armstrong. In that time, he defeated a cacophony of fighters ranked in the divisional top five, including Tommy Paul, Eddie Shea, Frankie Wallace, Baby Arizmendi, Nel Tarleton and Young Rightmire. Of those ranked from 6-10, he took Lew Feldman, Rodolfo Casanova, Petey Sarron, Vernon Cormier and Maurice Holtzer. Other significant scalps included Abie Israel, Panama Al Brown and Chalky Wright. It might be his status as true champion (as opposed to belt holder) that might hamper him. For Ring Magazine, he was the champ, for others, his claim is debatable. Wherever you stand on that issue, consider that Miller went undefeated in title fights between 1932 and 1935, a total of fourteen contests which took him to Britain, Spain and every corner of the United States.

    Honourable mention for Curtis Cokes - Clearly at least Luis Manuel Rodriguez's equal but nobody is that interested, it's because he's far less fun to watch I suppose. But Cokes kicked the **** of LMR for a start. Anyway, he's maybe started to get credit these past few years, at least on here.
     
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  12. META5

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    I know that it's personal opinion but how can Hags be overrated if the likes of Thurman, Byrd and Porter are underrated, without providing wider explanation?
     
  13. Mastrangelo

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    I wasn't a boxing fan at the time so I don't remember the build-up, but I'm pretty sure that the question of how well Jones can perform after dropping down in weight was something that was talked about. Even by the HBO crew, before the contest.
    Jones didn't look horrible, but I don't think He looked anywhere close to his peak either. He was laying on the ropes far more than He used to, He was much more "spotty" with his offence as well.

    A lot of fighters are past their prime while still keeping their title or number one position. Even if one is ready to be pushed off a cliff, it still takes someone capable enough to do it. Fury with Wlad, Jermain Taylor with Hopkins, Oscar with Sweet-Pea etc. In all of those instances the old legend was showing signs of decline before, but it still took a right guy to fully expose it. I think it was similar with Tarver.

    I agree He won the first fight and I see it as meaningful for Tarver's legacy, so overall We agree on more than We differ.
     
  14. Makingweight

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    When these types of discussion come up I always think the more modern era guys like Ronald Winky Wright, 51-6, never stopped, lovely southpaw boxer, great style and fluid.

    Lost his last three fights but that was over a 5 year period between losing to the phenom that was BHop 2007 to Peter Quillin 2012 for a payday.

    But resume of beating Sugar Shane x2, Tito wide UD, Soliman, Ike Quartey and a draw with the unbeaten Jermain Taylor, he seems to go under the radar a bit for me.
     
  15. JackSilver

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    An he beat Rocky balboa a was unbeaten against him.something Apollo, Clubber and Drago couldn’t do ha, ha. did he do anymore acting after Rocky? I thought he did a good job
     
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