Ahhh! So to stick on topic, your personal opinion, your saying “I’m rejecting fury was a ped cheat despite his tests returning higher levels of nandrolone as I trust the governing bodies when it comes to fury and they didn’t NC his fight, however I’m going to accuse other fighters who have not failed tests and I think the governing bodies are protecting them”?? I’m just trying to understand your personal pov. thanks for your story about fury. applying the same logic to mayweather and evander; “It’s does not matter what you do or do not accept the reality is that Floyd and evander have NEVER had elevated levels of nandrolone for ANY fight No details have been released to the public so we don’t know how true the stories are. Surely if they were cheats, their fights would have been a NC. Or does Fury get judged by a different set of rules?
Did you see the entire video? I did. Once he babied his elbow he walked to a bench and removed his right shoe and wouldn't you know, he has a prosthetic foot. Then when he went to take off his left shoe his left hand fell off, PROSTHETIC! That explains the funny glove in the Wilder fight. The man has been a one handed, one footed fighter and never said anything. He accomplished so much with so little. Truly one of the greatest sports stories ever.
You mention some valid points.I take it you did not read the link I posted to you earlier in this thread ? It’s honestly too much to type it all out here but there is certainly some eye opening information in there about Holyfield Mcline Mosley in documents from Federal Law Enforcement Agency’s ,with Mosley later admitting in testimony to a Grand Jury that he had indeed used steroids before his 2003 victory over ODLH but had never failed a test. As for Mayweather there is a lot of info in the link as well as of others having failed tests swept under the carpet or being granted retroactive TUE to cover up the test failings . There is also mention of the testers not even telling NSAC or the opposing fighters of failed tests. It’s certainly a link worth the time to read. https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada Here is another eye opening link about Mayweather https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-ped-report-further-clouds-mayweathers-legacy I don’t think we will ever know the elevated levels of Fury’s test what UKAD found,it could well have been a fail but like the info in those two links I posted mentioning certain fighters it could well have been swept under the carpet. Reading the links can we actually trust any of the testers findings UKAD USADA WADA,it certainly seems certain fighters carry sway with testers and others do not,it could well be like you mentioned,are some fighters judged by a different set of rules and it does seem that way for some !
I think fury is finished. All these long periods of inactivity isn’t prolonging his career because the way he abuses his body with unhealthy food an drink an god knows what else during these retirements is more likely aging him rather than refreshing him
I’m not sure why you keep bringing up articles on other fighters? I know there have been stories in the 80’s and 90’s with many fighters however what I’m trying to simply get to here is you will not accept FURY (who had a case with UKAD for a long time) is a cheat and you are deflecting onto others. It’s funny how you bring up Mosley, Mcline, Holyfield, Floyd, but just refuse to give any attention fury, the one the thread is about! What’s different about Fury and Mosley, Mcline, Holyfield, Floyd that you want to accuse them over some articles but defend fury the one who actually failed tests.
I could not care less about Fury neither am I defending him what I posted is what we know about the details of the case,testing after the Hammer fight (Feb 2015) showed he had elevated levels,the result stil stands,he was not banned and was still allowed to fight,how can that be a failed test ? However obviously the failed VADA tests Sept 21/22 2016 (cocaine) he was bang to rights there.I have mentioned the fighters I have and posted the links I did to merely show that there is not a level playing field when it comes to PED testing,I could also mention other British fighters in UKAD cases like Whyte (Rivas fight) dianabol,UKAD dropped the case Whyte then going on to fail another test 2023 and once more cleared to fight. Benn Jnr Clomifene,suspended by VADA,following a short suspension UKAD then cleared him to fight after the NAPD said it was not satisfied that UKAD had proved its case.
Fury should be mandated to take PEDs if he insists on coming back. Look at the ****ing state of him. Seriously, who'd want to see him now without his PEDs?
Fury was allowed to fight years later. your comparing testing in a different continent and different era to fury’s. What we do know is fury was caught being a ped cheat! Fact!
I specifically posted about Whyte (UKAD) and Benn (VADA) as they were under the same testing agency UKAD,on the same Continent and in the same era,and then UKAD dropped the cases against them despite both testing positive for non naturally occurring peds. Certainly not a level playing field ! Fury was also allowed to fight Klitschko in his next fight (28/November/2015) 9 month after these findings not years later.Fury’s UKAD testing dates were 28/February/2015 adverse findings (Hammer fight) 11/May/2015 16/July/2015 8/October/2015 17/October/2015 11/November/2015 13/July/2016 4/May/2017. UKAD stating that no adverse findings in any tests apart from the Hammer fight 28/February/2015. Fury admitted cocaine use and other issues and was then sought by VADA to be tested in September 2016 (10 month after the Klitschko fight) at first he did not submit but was then tested twice on 21st and 22nd September failing both for like Fury had admitted cocaine use. For these reasons I give Fury benefit of the doubt,the level of the adverse findings have never been revealed,he was not banned,the Hammer result still stood and he was allowed his mandatory fight with Klitchschko,with Fury testing clean in both the run up to and after this fight. What are your reasons for saying Fury was caught being a ped cheat ! Fact ! ? Thanks again for your reply
Who are you saying is the victim of a not level playing field with UKAD? Apologises I missed Whyte and Benn as we were talking fury and instead of talking fury you deflected onto so many other fighters, mainly Floyd and evander. I say fury is a ped cheat as he was banned for using peds. He tried blaming it on boar meat and there was an article from the farmer saying fury scammed him (nothing new there) but UKAD issued him a backdated ban and fury’s accepted it.
I can see Fury taking the Wardley fight. It would be a big money domestic clash, a chance to regain his status as Britain's No.1 HW, an opportunity for a world title and a legacy-enhancer, which could also enable him to fight Usyk for a 3rd time in another mega money undisputed fight. I'd favour a 40 year old Usyk but you can't totally write Fury off. Wardley would be dangerous for Fury though. He's in his prime and a dangerous puncher, on a hot KO streak. Fury's much more skillful and experienced but he's 37 going on 38, inactive since December 2024, coming off back to back losses, hasn't won a serious fight since 2022, has been knocked down 8 times in his career, twice in his last three and it's well documented that he doesn't live the life of a full-time professional athlete. If Fury's going to come back and make it meaningful, he may as well fight Wardley. Usyk won't fight a beltless Fury, Joshua is out of action (fighting Wardley would give Fury another opportunity to upstage Joshua, similar to when he took the Wilder fights), Wardley is available and beatable in theory, given his struggles with Clarke 1, Huni and Parker. There's a fair bit to lose but a lot to gain.
Whether or not it is currently on record isn’t the point. He is currently not on record as having ever won the Tour de France, either. You stated he never failed a test, which is wrong. He did fail a test, and that’s why he was given a backdated TUE after he failed a test.
Which by using a retroactive TUE is no longer a failed test on his record which is what I am getting at,they clear the failed test using this exemption,which we both can agree is wrong ! A failed test is a failed test and any athlete should not get away with it by granting a TUE after the fact !
Im not naming any specific fighters as victims what I am saying is that not all fighters are treated the same under UKAD,so I don’t see that as a level playing field. I was aware Fury blamed the nando levels on Boar meat which multiple papers agree elevate nando levels which complicated the case as nando is naturally occurring.On further reading on another article it states that the failed 2015 test was resolved in December 2017 with both party’s coming to a joint agreement to settle the case and as part of this compromise the specific levels of the failed test were not made public ! Also part of this compromise was Fury accepting a 2 year back dated ban to December 2015 ??? Basically allowing him to fight immediately. The anti doping violation was upheld due to the findings of the nando metabolites,however the specific source findings of the failed test were never definitively proven in public. I do have to agree some strange goings on tbh .