If Wilder KO's Usyk, is he one of the greatest heavyweights of all time?

Cojimar 1946 · Jan 21, 2026

ruffryders said: ↑

Sorry I don’t understand your point on several levels. Maybe you misunderstood the context of my comment, or I’m misunderstanding yours.
the guy was criticising that wilder didn’t defend against the “left hook” rankings, so I said, by regulation as wbc champ he must follow the wbc rankings. (As with every organisation).
so you state wilder should have left the belt as it has rules? Like every other belt does?

if you are stating the wbc top 15 was weaker than other bodies top 15, it wasnt. There’s just a **** top 15 hw’s. Only the top about 5 were good good. Which is why AJ and wilder have some common opponents (interestingly nobody criticises AJ for fighting the same guys)

So, why would you ditch the most prestigious and desired world title?
Because cojimar disagrees with their ranking system?

during his reign maybe you should have sent him a letter or told him you don’t agree with wbc, he should ditch it and fight for your governing body.

who are these “best” he should have fought? Only AJ I can think of. parker was awol after losing to AJ and went off the level a bit till a few years ago
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The following guys were all pretty clearly better than anyone he beat aside from possibly Ortiz

Povetkin
Pulev
Whyte
Ruiz
Joshua
Usyk
Parker
Hunter

Any of those guys would have been nice to have on his resume. You could probably add in Chisora and Bakole.

I don't think his belt served to advance his career. Fans saw his title defenses as a joke and were drawn to him due to his power and undefeated record. He would have probably done better financially going for the big fights

ruffryders · Jan 22, 2026

Cojimar 1946 said: ↑

The following guys were all pretty clearly better than anyone he beat aside from possibly Ortiz

Povetkin - he was due to fight him in Russia, then PoV got done for peds. Whose fault is that? I actually thought PoV would beat him and any delays benefitted wilder as PoV was getting old.

Ruiz-became relevant as he beat AJ, since then he’s had 3 fights, and is known to be demanding a lot at the negotiating table. Although I agree I wanted to see it.

Joshua-obviously we know this deal was trying to be made, the biggest fight at the time but it was never done.

Usyk - he came on the hw scene in 19, wanting a couple easier fights first and was zoned in on fighting AJ for the titles, which happened in 21/22 and he next fought in 23, after wilder lost his belt, hence usyk fighting fury. Timing!

Parker-after losing to AJ, he deteriorated and was struggling with lower level fighters (like Chisora and Whyte) then came back better under andy Lee. This was after wilder/fury and wilder losing his title. Timing!

The guys below aren’t all that but;
Pulev-are we in the right decade? He was in his peak years before wilder was a champ. He’s gotta be late 40’s now, he lost his title to klit in 2013/2014. People who criticise AJ it’s because he fought old guys like pulev and pov who are really from the klit era. Timing!

Whyte - he was ordered but didn’t sign to fight Ortiz in a title eliminator, so Ortiz got the fight. He crap anyway.

Hunter-??? Decent fighter, but had wilder fought him ppl would have criticised it as he’s not done much either

I think the general issue in reality is that there were really only about 5 top guys, who were consistently in the top 5 for several years. After them there was a big drop in quality and dedication from fighters.

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ruffryders · Jan 22, 2026

Cojimar 1946 said: ↑

The following guys were all pretty clearly better than anyone he beat aside from possibly Ortiz

Povetkin
Pulev
Whyte
Ruiz
Joshua
Usyk
Parker
Hunter

Any of those guys would have been nice to have on his resume. You could probably add in Chisora and Bakole.

I don't think his belt served to advance his career. Fans saw his title defenses as a joke and were drawn to him due to his power and undefeated record. He would have probably done better financially going for the big fights
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Which hw do you think is good?

Drstillhammer · Jan 22, 2026

Cant see it happening; but boy would i be laughing if Wilder landed a vintage windmill on Usyk. Imagine the fallout. And we can enjoy Bombsquad for a bit longer. Imagine the discussions on this board.

ruffryders · Jan 22, 2026

Drstillhammer said: ↑

Cant see it happening; but boy would i be laughing if Wilder landed a vintage windmill on Usyk. Imagine the fallout. And we can enjoy Bombsquad for a bit longer. Imagine the discussions on this board.
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Peoples mind would explode

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