Usyk, Kabayel, Wardley and Itauma are overrated and Hrgovic is underrated - long analysis

I don't think Sanchez and Anderson are big potentials. Bakole was a potential and I actually believe his stories of beating Usyk in sparrings. The problem is, I don't think even then Bakole could sustain it for 12 rounds, like Chisora couldn't.

Now he definitely couldn't as he's gotten fat and slow.

Zhang and Bakole would be so dangerous if they had the discipline to diet properly and do cardio lol.

 

Yeah he had time to prepare for Adeleye, and vs Adeleye speed is more important than vs Joyce so I assume they went for that.

Full fight isn't on YT but this is highlights of Hrgovic at 230-235. I also think he's better when slightly lighter. He isn't a power puncher so the weight doesn't benefit him much, mostly just slows him down and reduces his stamina.

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You didn't give a single argument where I'm wrong in the Dubois vs Hrgovic analysis.

Adeleye was only stopped by Wardley, who I consider one of top 5 punchers currently, and even that was a questionable stoppage. Joyce was only ever stopped by Zhang, and Zhang is stylistically a horrible matchup for Joyce. And Joyce beat Dubois and Parker. And Hrgovic took at least 9 out of 10 rounds vs Joyce.

Based on what do you say most people think Zhang beat him? If you look at YT comments of the full fight, most people acknowledge Hrgovic was the winner. Some even say they thought Zhang won by watching highlights and then changed opinion after watching full fight. And it doesn't even matter because anybody who actually watches the fight or at least looks up the punch stats knows that's false, Zhang only outscored Hrgovic on rounds 3,6 and 9, and even if you count the round 1 pulldown as a knockdown, like the judge mistakenly did, it's still not enough for a win. I explained it to the other guy. There's really no argument here.

And if you watch the fight (full fight, not highlights) it looks even more Hrgovic favored than the stats.

As for his career being unremarkable, yes, that's what happens when you're a dangerous fighter from a small country. I explained this in the OP and frankly people should already understand it anyway. He couldn't find opponents to fight even when they'd get the mandatory challenger position for IBF if they beat Hrgovic.

I would say it's only in small part his fault, his mistake was going pro too late compared to f.e. Parker who is about the same age.

But again, look at Zhang's career after a LOSS from Hrgovic. One would think the winner would deserve better fights, but that's how boxing is... it's a business first, sport second, and 1.4 billion China = more money than 4 million Croatia. Do you think people would be lying so much that Zhang won if he was himself from a small country? If Zhang was from a country even smaller than Hrgovic's Croatia we would listen to the opposite narrative.

 

*Too much of his career was wasted by people hiding FROM him.

 

I didn't say it is and I agree it isn't. But it's still a fact.

 

Sorry bro, you're right. My bad. I concede to your superior counter-argument.

 

The problem is when you outbox him Wardley can just start swinging wildly and the judge will wave hands and call it a TKO, so what's the point of outboxing him?

Imagine if when Hrgovic was cut against Joyce the judge stopped the fight like the Dubois fight.

Then if after that Hrgovic had the Adeleye fight too imagine if after the series of punches Hrgovic took in round 8 the judge waved hands and gave Adeleye a TKO victory.

Then we would be listening the narrative of how Hrgovic can't beat Joyce and how Adeleye knocked him out and how he was always garbage.

Even though we now know he could beat Joyce conclusively despite the cut and he not only handled the punches Adeleye threw at him, but dominated the last 20-30 seconds of the fight AFTER receiving all those punches AND proceeded to dominate the last 2 rounds also.

But if the judge stopped the fights the way I said we'd never know what could have happened. Just like we'll never know what would have happened the Dubois fight. And we'll never know what would have happened in Wardley's prematurely stopped fights.

As for Hrgovic's hype, I wrote to the other guy Hrgovic's pedigree before pro boxing so that's where the „hype“, if any, came from.

If he was from a bigger country he definitely would have been a champ already, and possibly unified.

I explained earlier in the thread Hrgovic's 2nd worst version was against Zhang because he wasn't mentally there as his dad had died and he was overtrained with Ronnie Shields as trainer.

His gas tank now with Abel in Adeleye fight looked perfectly fine to me, even the British commenters who generally dislike Hrgovic complimented it.

He was also with Abel against Joyce, and even on short notice he beat a volume puncher like Joyce on points.

So I don't know what people want from him when talking about his gas tank.

Even if I disagree I understand why you'd think Hrgovic would be the underdog against Usyk and Fury. I don't understand for Wardley and Kabayel, I think I made pretty good arguments why they're overrated, especially Wardley. I mean seeing how they robbed some other fighters with premature stoppages I know they could just rob Hrgovic the same way, but assuming an actually fair fight I don't see how Wardley would be the favorite.

And I especially don't understand why you'd see him as an underdog against Joshua or in a Dubois rematch. Hrgovic had the mitigating circumstances I mentioned in OP so wasn't at 100% yet he was still beating Dubois on points and got stopped in 8th by poor refereeing. Joshua was losing rounds against Dubois and got KO'd in 5th. All Hrgovic needed to defeat Dubois was to be healthy with good camp and fair refereeing. Even Dubois' advanced supplements wouldn't help, he was still losing rounds. And other than Dubois Hrgovic and Joshua share Molina and Zumbano as opponents, and they both dispatched them in a similarly dominant manner. But Dubois is the best opponent they both faced and Hrgovic unquestionably did better than Joshua despite not being at a 100%.