Oleksandr Usyk is the only Eastern European fighter to ever beat boxing.

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  1. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Whilst true, plenty of people thought (and still do) that Wlad could've won the rematch with Fury... And there's no question it would look differently if he had.
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes.

    I’ll edit that.

    Thanks.
     
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  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, you’re right.

    I’ve completely forgotten that the rematch was signed, but that Tyson withdrew and retired.

    That completely slipped my mind.

    Also, with different tactics, which Vitali has admitted to, Wlad could have beaten AJ.
     
  4. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Wlad was past it.
     
  5. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Definitely open questions.

    I don't think the Wlad Fury beat would beat AJ, but a younger/better Wlad would very likely beat both IMHO.
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    AJ was there for the taking.

    Vitali has admitted that in hindsight, he gave Wlad the wrong advice between rounds.
     
  7. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad have more fights but it’s hard to argue against an undefeated fighter when the other have multiple KO losses.
     
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  8. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You haven't understood my post. I didn't disrespect Wlad at all. I only stated facts. My point is that Usyk and his management if we add them, have done EVERYTHING right. Fought in everybody's backyard, beat all the top contenders. He's played it out perfectly. Wlad and others were great but they ****ed up at times along the way and their detractors can validly point out those aspects of their careers. Kostya Tszyu for example, many ( including myself ) think he's a legend but arguably he could have been better. He never should have lost to Vince Philips, he never rematched him. He and his management allowed him to get mugged in the UK by Hatton, not smart. Usyk never ****ed up like that. Loma, as talented as Usyk but never got his cherished 'undisputed', if he'd played it differently he most probably could have. There's been great EE fighters but only Usyk completely checkmated the sport. It's like the UK fighters, there's been greats but IMO especially modern day it's only Calzaghe and Lewis that totally beat the game. Yeah, Lewis lost a couple of times but he got those back and retired on top. That's my point, I'm not disrespecting anybody. I'm saying Usyk is the only EE fighter to play it perfectly. Beterbiev/Golovkin perhaps could have but promotional/legal issues and injuries in Beterbievs case, got in the way. Still great, hall of fame careers but not spotless/legendary as in Usyks case. EE fighters face huge hurdles so it pretty remarkable to forge great pro careers and Usyk couldn't have gotten more out of his career than he has, that's my point. Wlad had Purrity, Brewster and Sanders. An all time great heavyweight but compare that to Usyk? Not a step out of place.
     
  9. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, I was there and Wlad quit on the stool. Wlad’s cutman made the cut bigger than it was.
     
  10. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Vitali was to Wlad what Kurt Russell was to Goldie Hawn. He took a back seat, Wlad's career came first, just like Kurt did with Goldie.
     
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  11. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Calling that a loss is major stretch but ok.
     
  12. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's a very good point but it also backs up what I'm saying. Usyk has fought a few times only in the US, got in and got the **** out. Didn't allow even the chance of a robbery to even happen. Granted, his main opposition has mostly been euro/ UK fighters. Planning and circumstance come into play but it's worked in Usyks favour. Loma with a shade of luck is still undefeated to this day but he did put himself in some risky nights and subsequently got jobbed.
     
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  13. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't put much stock in the early career losses personally. Wlad's losses to Sanders and Brewster weren't exactly early into his career, but he turned pro at a much younger age than other fellow Easter Europeans. He faced some hiccups, but he came back stronger and made it to the top.

    From the time he hit the top in 2006 until his reign ended in 2015, Wlad throughly ruled the division with an ironfist and sort of played it perfectly as well. He did everything his way, fought everyone there was to fight and then some (except for his big bro, obviously) didn't mind chasing some of his challengers (Like travelling to Povetkin's backyard or giving Haye the 50/50 split he didn't deserve.), had one of the longest reigns in the history and went out exactly how a champion should: By passing the tourch to younger, bigger and dangerous chalengers.

    And Usyk is still active, so we don't know if he'll retire on top.
     
  14. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You can say the same thing about Louis and Holmes.

    You clearly watched a different fight, lol.
     
  15. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad beat more top HWs and more styles than Vitali. He's H2H superior.
     
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