Oleksandr Usyk is the only Eastern European fighter to ever beat boxing.

I love Usyk.

And it’s extremely difficult to envisage him losing, and especially against the guys who Wlad lost to.

But at the end of the day, nobody knows what would have happened, had he have turned pro much earlier and had 60-70 fights.

Calzaghe?

Beat the game?

As in - he was very cautious and unambitious, and managed to retire undefeated.

Personally, I wouldn’t call that beating the game.

 

An interesting take on it. Ha!

 

They aren't his main rivals based on the public saying so. They have to prove it which they never did. Fury hadn't beaten a ranked opponent in years going into the Usyk fight and arguably lost to Ngannou in his prior fight.

Joshua is out due to all his losses anyway.

 

It sounds like you did. I had a training partner fighting on that card, Duncan Dokiwari, so I was there and I talked to Wlad’s cutman (Stitch) after the fight, he admitted that Wlad was messed up and they decided not to continue.
Wlad was winning before the knock down and since the cut happened early they could quit, blame it on the cut and still win.

Fun fact, Duncan got offered the fight before Williamson but priced himself out and managed to get knocked out against an opponent he was supposed to look good against.

 

Hasn’t beaten anyone great, or anyone even close to great in their prime.
Hard to judge but he’s hardly completed boxing

 

I agree with the first half, but second half is purse nonsense. Usyk moved to heavyweight and unified the division. I am sorry, but saying that this what should not be done is simply ridiculous. Sure, his recent actions have been bad given his inactivity and seeming disinterest in fighting any of the actual top contenders, but overall hes been good for the division.

 

In 10 years everyone will agree with me.

 

I get the criticism, but to say that unifying the division is the opposite of what a good champion should do is simply ridiculous. Its an unprecedented achievement in the 4 belt era. First clear undisputed champ since Lewis.
Its heaps and bounds better than Wilder defending his WBC belt against bums and cherry picks for 10 fights in a row.

 

In this case the guys he unified with were ducking everyone for years. He didn't start the situation but hes made it worse. As another poster put it he "pulled the ladder up with him". Usyk has not done his job as champ and has been a horrible steward of the HW division. It is what it is. Theres dozens of qualified would be contenders who will never get that chance.

Its unprecedented because the "4 belt era" is 20 years and you had the 2 Klitschko situation and Furys shenanigans preventing earlier unification.

 

One difference between usyk & the rest of the eastern euros is that he was rarely at risk of a robbery in the US.

This is because the yanks have not had an elite heavyweight since Holyfield & the only decent one that was around was slain by the gypsy king, who himself nearly got a jobbing in the process.

Lomachenko, GGG & kovalev never had that luxury - all got robbed in America.

But theres an argument if he had to, he’d have gone over there & won convincingly enough not to get robbed

 

And Usyk was the one to make it happen. I just dont understand how now Usyk carries the burden of blame all of a sudden. If Fury, Joshua and Wilder were ducking everyone then how come Usyk is in the wrong for unifying the division?
How is his undisputed status worse than the other 3s championship runs?

 

The belts being split wasn't the problem. The line and unfought contenders was the problem. Usyk didn't solve the problem he just took over from Fury and AJ. The divisions under new management thats doing the same games. Wlad did not do the same games. Wlad did things properly. And was a true boxing champion who respected the time and effort of his peers. People could easy forget guys like Jarrell Miller or Hughie Fury even exists they've been collecting dust so many years.

Usyk also lost like 30 rounds in 8 fights. His lost round ratio for a long time champ is through the roof. Hes not dominant hes winning by the skin of his teeth most fights. Normally people take this for what it is. With Usyk we have to pretend hes a dominant champion. Hes not.

Ali lost a lot of rounds but Dubois is not George Foreman or Ron Lyle, Tyson Fury is not Ken Norton or Jimmy Young. Chisora is not Joe Frazier.

 

Wait, wait, wait... the problem is in Usyk loosing rounds? Damn, you have insane standards for champions. Holy ****! You genuinely hold against a champion for unifying the division and loosing rounds...
Amazing, truly, abso ****ing lutely amazing. I am almost at a loss for words here.

You are literally praising a man who lost via KO several times, was known for clinching almost as much as throwing punches, but Usyk loosing rounds is the big no-no here.

Yea, good luck with this rhetoric.

 

Did you say 20 defenses? At the rate he fights, he will be 59 years old before achieving that. Let's be serious here. LOL