Wlad Klitschko has the worst style for Ali

Depends on if Wlad can get past the first few rounds against Foreman were Foreman is dangerous. If he does I think he wins on points maybe stopping Foreman late.

 

I mean, George was 44 when he fought Morrison and nearly died of heatstroke before, during, and after the Young fight (yet still lasted the 12) - to be more specific, I think the version of Foreman that put Joe Frazier down 6 times in 2 rounds, and decimated Ken Norton in less than 5 minutes would beat any version of Wlad in the same fashion Sanders did.

Klitschko is a top 20/25 HW because of his dominance and longevity, but what are his best wins? An unbeaten Povetkin, who should have lost to Marco Huck? David Haye, a blown-up CW, who has 1 notable win at HW? Samuel Peter, who had many holes exposed in his game by a close to 40-year-old James Toney? Wlad is a HOF fighter, but his run over a very drab list of B-rate heavyweights would not prepare him for the true GOAT-tier fighters. Even Usyk, who is overrated himself at HW, would likely beat Wlad quite comfortably. Once the going got tough and **** hit the fan, Wlad lacked the fortitude to pull it out of the bag.

 

You shouldn't rate anything if you think Wlad is only 20/25.

 

What 20 heavyweights do you have over Wlad? Not trying to trap you or anything just asking.

 

Wow almost like Sanders and Foreman are both fast hitting southpaws exact same fighter! Not to mention that was before Wlad's title reign and when he perfected his craft and hardly lost a round. If you think Foreman would be able to bully and knockout the version of Wlad that was able to control and dominate people who make Foreman look small then idk what to tell you. Your nostalgia runs deep.

His competition is just as good as Louis and Holmes and unlike Holmes he actually dominated his. Not to mention that out of three you can make a solid argument that Wlad fought the hardest to beat H2H fighters. But of course that level of analysis is lost on someone who thinks Foreman and Sanders are exactly the same fighter.

 

He doesn't. He loses.

 

Yes.

 

Ali was undeniably great, but with the passage of time, he has become much more myth than reality. His legend is far greater than the reality of his career. He needed Dundee to tear his glove for a delay and to give him smelling salts to bring him back to planet Earth when Cooper knocked him down with a left hook.. All the big heavyweights he beat were mostly flat-footed sluggers with no head movement.

 

Ah, okay, so the fact that he was smashed from pillar to post by a B-grade and C-grade fighter should be completely discounted when we're discussing if he would beat Muhammad Ali? Also, when did I say Foreman and Sanders are exactly the same fighter? Wlad struggled with fighters with power who had a great chin, and yes, Foreman in the 70s might be an elite example of this, but there's nothing about Wlad that makes me think a young Foreman would've had any problems with him. The Sanders loss would carry much more weight if Corrie had more than one big win on his record. Many fringe contenders had no issues beating Sanders, and he walked through Wlad.

Losing two fights in that manner to fighters who were not world champions, and then not avenging either of them, definitely dents his standing in my ATG rankings. Same as Fury nearly losing to Ngannou: it knocks him down a good few places. Wlad was chinny, and when he wasn't controlling every element of the fight, he crumbled. The way he is overrated is insane; he's not even the best heavyweight in his family.

 

Totally agree. Just like Fury, who actually was outboxed by Cunningham, would have no chance against Wlad.

 

The good old "you shouldn't have an opinion because it's different from mine" approach.

 

What’s wrong with you?

Where on earth have I said any of that??

 

Is it just me who wonders how Jones could have outjabbed and outboxed Ali, yet still lost a decision without any KDs being involved?

 

Do you discount Ali losing to Norton and Frazier and later on Holmes and Berbick when discussing how Ali would do against Wlad? Fact of the matter is that Wlad wasn't yet at his best when he lost. And when he was at his best he dominated world class fighters for close to 10 years straight. But for some reason you keep going back to when Wlad was not yet at his best and extrapolating his entire career based on that completely ignoring the aspect that made him an ATG.

And yet Ali losing to Norton and Frazier doesn't? Seems like a double strandard to me.

 

Not in this exact order, but I'd have Ali, Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, Foreman, Holyfield, Holmes, Lennox, Vitali, Usyk, Tyson, Frazier, Liston, Jack Johnson, and Bowe as definites. Outside of this, it gets more subjective, but there's a string of fighters who would have given Wlad a fit in their prime: Tua, Ibeabuchi, lower-calibre fighters from ATG status, but ones with really solid chins who could punch. Even the Fury that beat him would've given him a tough time at any point in his career.

I'm not saying he would've lost to them, or that he's not a legend, but perspective is needed; it wouldn't surprise me if he crumbled against fighters like those in that lower tier. His longevity is impressive, but his losses exposed many flaws. For me, there's no way he beats the Ali who beat Liston or Foreman.