Charles Martin is a Glass Jawed Fighter....

People in here really blowing smoke up Martins arse! He's awful, always has been. He might have a good round here and there but that's all. And that don't win fights. I remember when he was smoking blunts and wanting to become a rapper after Joshua snatched his soul. He should of just stuck to that to be honest.

 

Ajagba is a plodding, slow heavyweight.

 

For me the best performance of Charles Martin was against Raphael Zumbano / Alexander Flores at this time he was at his peak.

And his notable victory was against Gerald Washington, I believe that his prime was finished in 2022 after his war against Luis Ortiz in a very good fight both was knocked downs...

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Amazing how the IBF gave this guy a belt and AJ basically bought it

AJ is a fraud

 

I will still say that Anthony Joshua is better than Wilder and have a better resume than this one.

In any case Wilder & Joshua have revived the heavyweight category!

 

The US does in the NABF and USBA.

When Ali and Foreman weren't champ in the 70s they were NABFing.

 

The high point of Charles Martin's career is actually happening right now and right here. The fact that somehow he convinced our membership that he was worth a four page thread trumps anything else he's ever done inside or outside of the ring.

 

Yea, but those two have lost the prestige they once had. I have watched a lot of 80s fights recently and the commentators made a big deal of those titles when they were on the line, now they don´t.
There are no Americans trying to prove who is the best in America by winning a certain belt like in Japan or Britain.

 

They are still an option. As is the WBOs NABO which Charles Martin has already won.

Part of it is these have always been subsidary organizations to the main alphabet bodies. USBA became the IBF but made a new subordinate USBA. The British belts and EBU used to be real belts a long time ago and that comes with history and tradition you just can't manufacture.

I also think even today Americans are fairly secure their best fighters will get a world title shot. While with the Euros and Commonwealth countries this was not the case. Why care about a title to determine who the best American is when that question is probably going to get answered at the world level?

In the 80s something they did that was very effective was put NABF and USBA fights on the same card as world title fights.

 

So you essentially agree. Its unfortunate, American boxing would greatly benefit from having a similarly prestigious belt as the BBBofC or even the EBU.

I cant remember exactly what weight class it was, but like 70% of boxers who won the JBC belt went on to win a world title afterwards. There are plenty of lower weight classes where a Japanese champion is pretty much guaranteed a world title fight, which is rather remarkable.

A little less than half of British heavyweight champions go on to fight for or win a world title, and almost all of them compete at the world level at some point.

 

A problem with American sports fans is they have a super reductionist culture. "If you aren't first your last" and they constantly denigrate lesser accomplishments in any sport. If you look at the NABF its been around over 55 years has a signifigant portion of Alis career and has the Foreman v Lyle classic. USBA became the IBF. Its not as long as the EBU and BBBC but the history and tradition is there. But Americans are not British and European.

Things changed for the British rather recently. I'm looking at the Commonwealth instead of BBBC(they are usually but not always tied) but before Chisora in 2010 it was a lot less flowery. In that time the British regional scene has basically taken Americas place.

3 non Lennox title shots going back to the 70s and they all lost. Besides Danny Williams the rest of that group had to win the EBU double too. Akinwande and Skelton had to win minor world titles. They didn't get the oppurtunity off just the Commonwealth/BBBC. Since WW2 that list at HW seems like Williams, Brian London and Cockell. Danny Williams beat Mike Tyson and probably owes his shot to that. Cockell won the aformentioned double at LHW.

I don't follow boxing below 140 but the further down the chart you go the more Japanese people there are for sure makes sense.

 

Oh, you'd love the JBC and their system. Only the elite Japanese amateurs bypass that title, everyone else aims for it. They have various rookie king tournaments for prospects to get their foot in the rankings. They have a yearly A class tournament for seasoned boxers to get a mandatory title shot at the belt.
JBC holders are basically guaranteed a shot at the OBPF which by itself is a guarantee at a top 10 ranking in the WBC due the WBC owning it, but also every other ABC is pretty much guaranteed to rank OBPF champions in their top 10.

And the best part is that the Japanese boxers actually want to compete for the JBC title. And of course these fights also offer a decent pay. Imagine how much better American boxing was if the lower level guys had such a system to compete for.

*A bit of a side note, but to the NABF´s credit, they actually have a ranking system, unlike most minor titles.

 

Its just like the British in Europe. I don't think you could do that with American titles because outside of North America the WBC regional champ is generally considered the "real one". And in North America its more on the ABCs to choose which one they want to rank.

Fans attitudes are one thing but is participation in NABF/USBA/NABO really that bad? Even as individual titles? Its hard to tell when American boxings taken a step back. I know a lot of non Americans/North Americans do make a NABF cameo like Wlad, Kabayel and Bakole. I think vacating regional belts is a problem for the British and Europeans as well. The Brits might want to check the accomplishment off the checklist but then they want to move on as quick as possible. With time British hegemony might instill American attitudes towards the whole thing.

I always try to hype up the meaning of the NABF/USBA doubles and British/EBU doubles. This is either ignored or met with "who cares".

 

Brits dropping the belts is certainly a problem, but the ladder works and a lot of them try to climb it which makes it worth having. EBU is not really looked at fondly, but it has catapulted many to the world scene.
Unfortunately you most likely right about the fans and overall boxing culture in some parts of the world.