Again, Buster Douglas did not face a prime fully focused Tyson with the Catskill team. Plus Douglas had better fundamentals than Ali and hit harder.
Douglas was the 7th HW in the world before Tyson. I think that since Ferguson won against Douglas, he should be the favorite against Tokyo Mike. But he wouldn't have won against prime Tyson if green Mike had won against him easily.
I give prime Holmes and of course Prime Ali a really good shot. Holyfield had his number already past his prime, a younger Holyfield would have beat him in the same fashion.
If we track down all of Tyson’s opponents that he beat and they give us excuses, are we going to not count his wins, lol? Mike was 23 years old. In his prime. If he decided not to focus for whatever reason while Buster — having lost his mother and being sick — did, well, that tells us all we need to know about poor-me Mikey.
In keeping with the title thread, I’d like to see an AI movie of Jake beating Mike throughout history: Jake Paul beats Mike in the Jurassic era. Jake Paul beats Mike at the Battle of Hastings. Jake Paul beats Mike at the signing of the Declaration of Independence. Jake Paul beats Mike while Abraham Lincoln gives his Gettysburg Address. Jake Paul beats Mike in November 1963 on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. Jake Paul beats Mike while the Berlin Wall comes down. Jake Paul beats Mike as the iPhone is introduced. Truly timeless entertainment.
I think Ali beat him. His movement would frustrate Mike and he would drown him in deep waters mentally speaking. Holyfield did beat him twice IRL although a pre prison Tyson is a different animal. I favour Tyson but it's a difficult matchup. Bowe has a very good chance but is very hittable and too brave for his own good. Holmes is 50/50. Liston is probably the only fighter who would intimidate Tyson. He can win a close decision. I think Tyson destroys Usyk or win a large decision if Usyk is able to stay away. His explosiveness + high pressure style would make Lewis crumble by the mid-rounds. He KOs Wlad who don't have a good enough chin and beat Vitali by UD. I think he also stops Foreman who wouldn't be able to outpunch him.
My friend, you hit the nail on the head – I'm with you!! Since Tyson lost to someone 1-42, as you say, and won 40 fights, none of which he was a 41-1 favorite, I think either that one fight with Douglas was a fluke or all the others were flukes. To sum up – Tyson must have been incredibly lucky to win against Spynx, Biggs, Berbick, Frazier, Ferguson, Holmes, Bruno, Stewart, and all the others. Under normal circumstances, he would have lost to anyone. You're a champion, Saint Pat While some might think you're obsessed with Tyson, I think you're a genius!
Holmes. He ain’t that far off prime 60s ali in terms of skills but he’s a lot more cautious an focussed an you need that against Tyson. Prime Ali has all the skills an speed to beat Tyson but I just worry that you know at some stage he will be confidently dropping his hands an trying to swerve his head an upper body to avoid Tyson punches an for me that’s a dangerous game to play because Tyson unlike most heavyweight pressure fighters has great handspeed. Yeah so I would go with Holmes rather than Ali