Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Ray Robinson's opposition, how would he have fared?

No one could get through that many fights and that many quality opponents without losing some of the time. And in order to replicate Robinson’s career he’d have to fight a fair number of times at middleweight which to my knowledge Mayweather never did

 

McCallumsJab,

Again, the ONLY advantage that Floyd would have held, was his defence.

At WW, he'd already slowed down, with a more conservative and cautious offense, compared to his earlier career as PBF at LW-LWW.


Pot shot?

Oh my word.


Are you for real??

Floyd could pot shot guys who were stationary, significantly slower and with a smaller reach etc.

Guys like Canelo and Baldomir.

Floyd could NOT have pot shotted Ray Robinson.


There's also the psychological aspect of things to look at.

Look how Floyd carried himself.

Look at the BS he pulled throughout his career.

It's highly unlikely he'd have even fought Ray.

But if he had've done, just how confident and offensive minded would he have been?


He has never seen anyone like Ray, who possessed Ray's attributes.

Yes, he fought fast fighters.

Powerful fighters.

Fighters who were bigger and stronger.

But never a fighter who had ALL of those attributes together.


When Floyd fought Oscar, he gave up size but had a huge speed advantage.

When he fought Canelo, he gave up weight, but he had huge experience, and significant advantages in reach and speed.

When he fought Manny, he didn't have Manny's power, but he had skills and reach over him.


If Floyd ever gave up something, he was compensated by his other great attributes.


Against Ray, he would not have had a reach advantage, what he'd held over almost all of his career opposition.

He would not have had a speed advantage.

He would not have had a better offensive arsenal. He didn't throw the body shots, the hooks, uppercuts and the power punches that Ray did.

He did not throw the same combinations.

He was also smaller, not as strong, and nowhere near as powerful as what Ray was.


Ray would have been a complete anomaly.

A guy who Floyd had never encountered in his life.

A straight up killer.


Floyd never fought a prime ATG in his entire career.

Yes, it never happened.

But then, Floyd NEVER fought anybody with the attributes that Ray had.

That is the whole point here.


Oscar was at the end of his career. He'd only fought once in 3 years, and then he retired the following year.

He also didn't fight like Ray or have his attributes.


Manny was faded, and also didn't possess the attributes that Ray did.


Zab Judah was dangerous, but a B level fighter.


Yes, he picked up counter opportunities against them, because again, if he was at a disadvantage in power or size etc, then he had other advantages in reach, speed and skills etc.

Again, those advantages would simply not exist against a prime Ray Robinson.


Ray would have backed him up 100%

And Floyd wouldn't have had the mettle or the power to have stood up to it.

 

Winky agreed to everything.

Floyd changed the terms at the last moment.


That is what happened.

He called his bluff, then Floyd went missing.


IF he could have taken his jab away.

Oscar gave him huge issues with his jab for 9 rounds.


That southpaw jab would have been very difficult.

Obviously Floyd thought so too.

 

WTF?

I can only assume that I'm being trolled here.


Of course it was harder.

With those gloves, rounds, referees and that schedule etc?


Floyd physically/literally couldn't have fought a 200 fight career under those same conditions.


I haven't cherry picked Maidana. He was chosen because he was a very physical fighter.

Pick whoever you want.

Oscar, Manny, Cotto, whoever.


It would simply have been unthinkable for Floyd to have fought any of them, before having rematched them just THREE WEEKS Later.

Have a word with yourself.


Yes, Floyd was great.

A genius.

Undefeated.


However, he never fought a prime ATG, and he was a safety first businessman, who fought in a much softer era, where he'd take 18 month vacations etc.


There is no way on this planet that Floyd could have retired undefeated, had he have fought 200 times, under the same conditions.

Now if you think otherwise, you are utterly delusional with zero knowledge of the era.


No, I've no issues with Ray's losses.

That's because I can apply CONTEXT.


He had huge mileage, and was way, way past his best, fighting into his 30's and 40's.

How many losses did he have when he was still great??


At the age that Ray was fighting pro fights, (between 150-200) Floyd was facing tiny kick boxers in circus type exhibition bouts.

 

A post that McCallum's Jab desperately needs to read.

 

As if Floyd would give up a stone same day weigh in to the likes of La Motta and rematch the same month, giving up a stone without ref protection and do similar things for 15 years plus.

Lord knows I rate Floyd but without referee protection, he doesn't likely get past 100 fights in the era, let alone making it past 200.

Floyd is a bonfire ATG but to deny that he is a product of his era is crazy, especially as we have already seen body durability issues with shoulder and hands that there would have been no protection from in the 40s, right through to when Robbi retired.

 

Did SRR have 200 or 220 fights?

 

It's just ridiculous isn't it.

Like we've both mentioned, he fought a maximum of 50 fights in his actual career, where he fought once-twice per year, where he had 18 month breaks, and where he needed injections in his bad hands etc.

That's literally what happened, in his actual real life career, in the modern era.


So how would it have been physically possible for him to have fought every 3-4 weeks, and have accumulated a 200 fight career??

It isn't in any way realistic.


I don't know this guy who I've been debating, but I'm going to have to assume that we're being trolled by him.


His claims are:

1. Floyd had a harder career.

2. Floyd would have beaten all of Ray's opposition.

3. He'd have won almost all of them by shut outs.

Ha!

So let us hope for his sake that he is indeed just trolling us all for a bit of a joke.

 

Just over 200.

85 - 0 as an amateur allegedly with over 60 KOs.

Ny Golden Gloves champ when it really meant something.

 

I think you guys are forgetting something....
In between the three weeks of the LaMotta rematches he also beat a welterweight contender lol

 

Clearly a worse am career than Floyd had though.

 

Grass grows and Jesus wept.

 

Are we counting domestic titles above world now?

 

I thought it was 201 yeah.

 

What are you on about?

Who's counting what?

How many lineal, unified/undisputed titles does Robbi have?

How many ATGs or bonafide HOF fighters did Robbi beat?

His legacy speaks for itself.