Who Hit Harder Deontay Wilder, Earnie Shavers or Wladimir Klitschko?

You said yourself Wlad stopped Byrd, Rahmen and Mercer, THOUGH THEY WERE ALL PADT IT
So we are left with;
Chagaev. Peter. Pulev. McCline
You accepted these ARE NOT GREAT

Shavers- Norton, Ellis, Bugner, Young, Clark.

So with wilder goalpost being “high level hw’s in their prime”
Wlad n shavers are struggling too


In my personal opinion it’s shavers/wilder than Wlad on this list.

 

Wlad his AJ with his best shot, either AJ chin is granite, or …..

 

True Wlad hit Joshua flush with a hard right hand. But Joshua saw the punch coming, braced for it, chin tucked and his stance meant he was grounded and could absorb the shot well.

When Ruiz discombobulated AJ he caught him with a counter left hook, Joshua didn't see coming and Joshua was throwing a punch himself, his chin was in the air and not in a good stance to absorb the punch.

In terms of raw power Wlad hit harder than Ruiz Jr but being a good puncher is more than just the ability to generate pure force. Setting up opponents, timing them and catching them with shots they don't see coming or are in a poor position to absorb is what makes some punchers better than others, even if they have less power.

For example, Golovkin hit Brook with some hellacious shots but Crawford scrambled him with a jab. No way Bud's jab was as hard as some of the big right and left hands GGG landed on Brook but they didn't need to be because of how Bud set up and timed Brook.

 

100% agree with this, a good puncher isn’t just raw power (hence punching machines don’t mean a thing). The delivery and set up are often just as, if not more important than the power on the ****.

hence boxers are not taught to “load up” shots as they give a signal to the opponent.

 

Wilder was fed a bunch of handpicked Glass Jawed opponents.
Shavers never KOed anyone of note other than Jimmy Young.

 

Or Ruiz hits harder than Wlad.

Triangle theory is fun lol

 

Never understood the “Who did Wilder knockout” argument because the same could be said for many fighters who are considered some of the hardest punchers in history. It’s not like Wladimir and Shavers have a murderous row of names they’ve knocked out. The two fighters who attest to Shavers power the most weren’t even knocked out. Wladimir dominated in what many consider a weak heavyweight era. Wilder in his prime stopped or dropped every fighter he had been in the ring with including Fury who outweighed him by 30-40 pounds. What’s crazy about Wilder’s power is he could be doing absolutely nothing and land one shot and the fight is over. It’s not like he’s inflicting damage prior to the knockout. What makes Wilder’s case even stronger IMO is he’s the least skilled person on the list. Everyone knew he only had one punch. Even still, he dropped or stopped everyone in his prime. Wilder’s power is the only reason he had the career he had.

 

Good points, but he didn’t win Olympic medal due to only power.

 

Wilder.

Wilder KO’d everybody he faced before Fury. Everbody. All 41 of them. And he bounced Fury around 4 times.

I don’t think people realize how insane this really is. Every puncher has that one guy they just can’t KO. 1, 2, doesn’t matter how little, they still exist. That never happened to Wilder. Everybody he hit went down.

 

Wladimir knocked out the most heavyweights that weren't stopped previously. Now that's not a small feat. He also was stopping top conteders, while Wilder only stopped 1 out of 5 Top 10 guys he fought.

 

Ultimately what it comes down to are two things:
1) It's harder to knock out a more skilled, dangerous or capable opponent who has the same chin as a less skilled/dangerous/capable opponent.
2) Wilder's resume is primarily lower level guys.

What that means is that he was able to throw full power, with less risk of getting punished if he missed.

This fully acknowledges that he could've performed against better opponents than he usually chose to fight... So in one sense it's a compliment... On the other hand, if he could've been fighting more gatekeepers and fringe contenders instead of journeymen and the odd gatekeeper - why wasn't he?

No question being outweighed adds something to the impressiveness of being able to do it at all... But we're not talking about P4P power, here, we're talking about who hit the hardest in the same weight category.

Also... Going back to the previous point... It's very arguable that the only reason he was able to land on Fury in 1 & 3 is because Fury wasn't quite ready for 1 (and got tagged late when he was gassing badly) and wasn't really interested in 3 and was pretty sloppy all around.

It's not nothing, but when Wilder couldn't lay a glove against the only close to peak performance version he fought, that just illustrates how the levels of opponents can make it easier/harder to look like a murderer.

Up to a point... The problem is the assumption that his prime was over the moment he stopped being able to land - we don't necessarily know that, given that Parker and Zhang were better than anyone he beat... Herndon he was clearly past his best, but at what point his prime ended isn't really clear.

Two P's defined Wilder's career - power and protection.

There's no question he hit hard. There's also no question that he wasn't being put in against anywhere near the best available.

 

That was bang on my man.

 

Anyone who puts shavers about the others is very brainwashed with murican media propaganda. It is almost impossible given the era, the size and the fact that wilder was/is roided and Wlad may have been also.
It's between wilder and Wlad.
Wlad hits harder all in all given his LH is much bigger.
RH's are harder to say since wilder puts everything into his RH and Wlad doesn't really. Maybe they're not so different on the RH.
The only one who has fought all three is Fury but he lies.
Sometimes he says Wlad, sometimes wilder, but never shavers.

 

To me, of course, it's Wilder.

The fans who say Wilder never fought anyone, or never fought the best, and then hold up Earnie Shavers, are just wrong. Wilder fought the best heavyweight during his era three times, dropped him four times, successfully defended his heavyweight title against him once, and he was outweighed by 40 pounds in all three fights.

Now, I admit, the number of ranked guys Wlad Klitschko fought blows Shavers and Wilder's records out of the water. So, normally, there's a great argument for Wlad. I just don't vote for him because there were so many fights I watched of his where he was clearly the far bigger puncher and was facing an outmatched guy, and he just wouldn't throw. The Chambers fight always sticks in my mind. Toward the end, Emanuel Steward was cussing out Wlad in the corner between rounds because he simply wouldn't open up against a midget (compared to him) who had zero power. And the moment Wlad opened up, it was over. But we were 12 rounds in before he decided to.

For all his power, Wlad never had the mindset of a puncher. He could've demolished everyone if he chose to. But he routinely held back. And if you're bigger and stronger and hit harder ... yet you are afraid to open up against smaller, lighter punchers ... HOW CONFIDENT REALLY are you in your own power (something Shavers and Wilder never wavered on.)

If Wlad didn't trust his own power, he's leaving the door open for another fighter to take his place on a list like this one.

I really only saw Wilder fail to pull the trigger against Parker, when he simply couldn't - due to age or injuries or both. And that fight bored me to death. IF all Wilder fights were that dull, I never would've become a fan of his.

However, regarding Shavers and Wilder ... I was a fan of Earnie's when I first got into boxing.

But Earnie Shavers fought 91 times. Being generous, Earnie fought 21 bouts against "name" fighters.

The other 70 of those 91 fights came against unranked (not to be impolite) nobodies … boxers who never were ranked, let alone ranked at the time he faced them.

Of the 21 fights where he faced a “name” fighter – someone who was ranked at any point - you could pull out, of course, Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes (twice), Jerry Quarry, Jimmy Ellis, Ken Norton, Jimmy Young (twice – although not when Shavers fought him), Tex Cobb, Ron Stander, Bernardo Mercado, Vicente Rondon, Ron Lyle, Henry Clark (twice), Howard Smith, Roy Williams. Jeff Sims, Joe Bugner, Quick Tillis, George Chaplin. All, at various stages of their own careers.

Granted, he fought in an era when fighters - even ranked guys - would stay busy and fight a lot of no-names between higher profile bouts. So, nobody thought much about it.

But don't kid yourselves. 70 of his 91 fights were pure padding ... nothing opponents he was fighting for a check who he was supposed to wipe out. (And sometimes he failed to stop them. Sometimes he even lost to them.)

In eight of those 21 fights above, Shavers was the heavier man.

Shavers outweighed Rondon, Young both times, Ellis, Quarry, Smith, Chaplin and he weighed more than Holmes in fight 2 (he weighed the same as Holmes in fight 1). Shavers and Sims also weighed the same.

Shavers’ record in those 21 fights against guys who were or would be contenders is 10-10-1 with 7 kos.

So, as Earnie stepped up, his KO percentage went well below 50 percent. 7 out of 21.


Deontay Wilder is about to fight for the 50th time against Chisora, who is and was ranked. Of those 50 fights (Chisora included), Wilder has faced a “name” fighter in 22 of his 50 fights.

Essentially the same number as Shavers in nearly half the fights.

Derek Chisora, Joseph Parker, Zhilei Zhang, Robert Helenius, Tyson Fury (three times), Luis Ortiz (twice), Dominic Breazeale, Bermane Stiverne (twice), Chris Arreola, Gerald Washington, Artur Szpilka, Johann Duhaupas, Eric Molina, Sergei Liakhovich, Malik Scott, Audley Harrison, Owen Beck and Damon Reed. Again, like Shavers, all with varying degrees of abilities at different stages in their careers. But names nonetheless.

Wilder’s record in 21 of those fights is currently is 16-4-1 with 15 kos. We’ll see what it is after fight 22, against Chisora. (17-4-1 or 16-5-1). But, currently, 15 kos in 21 fights.

And Chisora will definitely outweigh Wilder. Side note, everyone Wilder knocked out outweighed him in those fights. He outweighed no one.

And Shavers lost to 14 different guys of varying abilities .... Yates, Chaplin, Santemore, Tillis, Cobb, Mercado, Holmes (twice), Ali, Lyle, Stallings, Quarry, Stander, and Johnson.

Wilder has lost to three ... Fury, Parker and Zhang. Zhang outweighed him by 68 pounds!

So, if we're comparing Wilder and Shavers ... people can TOSS the argument Wilder never fought anyone. He fought just as many name guys as Shavers did, in fewer fights, WHO ALL outweighed him, and he knocked out a higher percentage. And he only lost to the best ... not fringe guys or nobodies (like Earnie sometimes did throughout his career).

So, rating punchers out of those three, I'd go Deontay, Wlad, Earnie.

Wilder's power allowed him to remain wildly successful even though he's only outweighed one opponent in the last 14 years.

 

Wladimir kayoed numerous ranked opponents. Wilder only kayoed Ortiz. Huge gap in credentials