the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I don't have a scorecard, but this is a cool thread! I wish there were some way to group together the scorecards for the same fighters and fights.

 

I think it is achievable through the search option on the site.

 

Muhammad Ali vs Leon Spinks I

Round 1: Spinks 10:9
Round 2: Spinks 10:9
Round 3: Spinks 10:9
Round 4: Spinks 10:9
Round 5: Ali 10:9
Round 6: Spinks 10:9
Round 7: Spinks 10:9
Round 8: Ali 10:9
Round 9: Ali 10:9
Round 10: Ali 10:9
Round 11: Spinks 10:9
Round 12: Spinks 10:9
Round 13: Spinks 10:9
Round 14: Spinks 10:9
Round 15: Spinks 10:9

Total: 146 - 139 Leon Spinks

I don't remembered the fight being that wide. I recalled Ali winning at least 6 rounds, but this time, I struggled to give him 4. He basically edged majority of the rounds I scored for him. He was clearly playing around in the first 4, but even after he started fighting serious, Spinks was just better than him. Worked harder, his punches were crisper and landed in bunches. I also didn't remember round 15 to be as good as it was - one of the best closing rounds in HW history. Ali looked sluggish, his timing was off and couldn't even manhandle Spinks when he wanted to. But then, came the rematch...

 

I want to preface my scorecard by saying that I was high as shyte while watching the fight this time, just enjoying the spectacle.

Leon Spinks vs Muhammad Ali II

Round 1: Ali 10:9
Round 2: Ali 10:9
Round 3: Ali 10:9
Round 4: Spinks 10:9
Round 5: Ali 10:9
Round 6: Ali 10:9
Round 7: Ali 10:9
Round 8: Ali 10:9
Round 9: Ali 10:9
Round 10: Ali 10:9
Round 11: Ali 10:9
Round 12: Ali 10:9
Round 13: Ali 10:9
Round 14: Ali 10:9
Round 15: Spinks 10:9

Total: 148 - 137 Muhammad Ali

Ali did it. Became the only three time lineal heavyweight champion of the world. Two things I noticed: Ali got himself into the best shape he could for his age and condition. This and the way he fought probably emptied his tank forever. He was never the same after that. But even in this shape, he was slow (compared to Ali of 3 years before), his reflexes were close to being shot, and his timing was pretty shakey. He still managed to give young Spinks a boxing lesson. I only found 2 rounds for The Neon this time. You definitely could give him more, I just didn't see it during watching the fight this time.

 

Underrated win for Ali actually.

 

Depends how you look at it. If Ali didn't lose to Spinks in the first place, which he wasn't supposed to, he wouldn't need this performance to right the wrong.

 

Did you a drop off in Spinks from fight 1 to fight 2? How do you see a fight between Ali of the rematch and Spinks of the first fight?

 

Lately I have not been scoring fights and have really just been watching segments of fights

I threw on Lennox Lewis vs David Tua, couldn't tell you why. Maybe with Chisora fighting Wilder there has been more posts and discussion on British heavyweights at the moment. Lennox is a cut above and I felt like watching him in action

Tua was in better condition than I remembered and Lennox though defensive and cautious was not boring. Lennox hit the body, did not clinch that much and was active with his left. Tua landed a big hook at the end of round 2 that may have put quite a few champions on their ass. Not a great fight but a good calculated performance from Lewis

 

Yeah, Spinks wasn't as energetic, his workrate was lower and his stamina seemed to deteriorate. I think Ali from the second fight could get a decision over Spinks from the first fight, but it would be a way closer bout. Maybe even a controversial decision. Spinks really threw away his potential.

 

The cards had it 10-2 Lennox on average with the 3 judges did you agree with that?

 

I only watched 1-3 and 10-12, I thought Lennox won the six rounds I watched. There is an argument that Tua stole round 2 with the left hook at the end

 

Sharmba Mitchell v Stevie Johnston

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Johnston
Round 4: 10-9 Johnston
Round 5: 10-9 Johnston
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Mitchell
Round 8: 10-9 Johnston
Round 9: Johnston stops Mitchell

Total through 8 completed rounds: 79-76 Johnston (actual scores: 78-74 and 77-75 both for Johnston. And a 77-75 for Mitchell

Thanks to @Flo_Raiden for putting me onto this one. I've always liked Stevie Johnston. He was such a brilliant combination puncher. A style which I've always liked. But let me tell you. These two put on a speed clinic. Fast, sharp combos galore and I won't look down on that dissenting vote for Mitchell. It was that kind of a fight. So evenly contested. Really enjoyed this one.

 

Leo Gamez v Hi Yong Choi (jr. flyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Choi
Round 2: 10-9 Choi
Round 3: 10-9 Gamez
Round 4: 10-9 Choi
Round 5: 10-9 Gamez
Round 6: 10-9 Choi
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Gamez
Round 10: 10-9 Gamez
Round 11: 10-9 Gamez
Round 12: 10-9 Gamez

Total: 116-114 Gamez (actual scores: 115-114, 116-112 and 118-113 all for Choi)

Clearly the judges didn't see it as I. I thought Choi did well early. He was a brute force type of fighter who muscled, shoulder-blocked and wrestled Gamez to the ropes throughout and this brute force reflected on a 3rd round butt that split Gamez' eye wide. When Gamez could keep the fight in the middle, he did very well with his sharp combos. And IMO, the last 4 rounds was a clean sweep for Gamez as Choi fatigued. But I will say most of the rounds earlier were all very close. A real attrition fight but I won't say it's a must-see.

 

No scorecards here but I did a nice little heavyweight tour and watched:

Michael Spinks vs Stefan Tangstad — Michael looked a bit rusty off the bat but settled into his awkward groove and easily dispatched his overmatched challenger.

Earnie Shavers vs Henry Clark II — The Acorn came hunting for bear in this rematch after decisioning crafty Clark first time around. Enjoyed Jerry Quarry’s commentary as usual. Earnie won the first easily even though he never quite got through cleanly but caught Henry in the second and battered him til the ref had to stop it.

George Foreman vs George Chuvalo — Total massacre. Canadian George stayed on his feet. That’s about all you can say, but American George battered him pillar to post.

 

Emile Griffith v Dick Tiger II (NY round scoring)

Round 1: Griffith
Round 2: Even
Round 3: Griffith
Round 4: Griffith
Round 5: Griffith
Round 6: Tiger
Round 7: Griffith
Round 8: Tiger
Round 9: Griffith
Round 10: Griffith

Total: 7-2-1 Griffith (actual scores: 7-2-1, 7-2-1 and 8-2 all for Griffith)

Not a scintillating fight, as they were aging veterans at this time, but some of the moves kept me rooted. The MSG crowd appeared to be behind the nearly 40-year old Tiger. Well remembered for his all-action style in the days of yore by the fans (I heard one fan yell out, "Emile, you stink!"). But it was Griffith's fight and it was still good watching the moves on these two.

In a separate note, probably to make up time during their telecast, Dunphy brought up MSG President of Boxing, Harry Markson for an interview. It was interesting as they spoke of two prospects on the undercard that I remember well - Davey Vasquez and Chu Chu Malave - and how they were hoping for great things from these two (Malave cashed it in after losses to Ken Buchanan and Ray Lampkin, and Vasquez, a former Olympian, failed to make the grade after two losses to future bantamweight champ Enrique Pinder and became somewhat a journeyman, although had a few decent wins). But the real interesting note was how the two were looking forward to the upcoming George Foreman v George Chuvalo bout and how Markson revealed that the plan was for the winner to be matched with Jerry Quarry in October with the winner to fight Joe Frazier for the title in early '71. Clearly no one was seeing the return yet, of Ali. Besides the fact we all know Frazier's defense in early '71 in the FOTC, but not to forget Quarry was the one who fought Ali in October, which really scrambled all plans. Quarry made the right decision to go with the Ali fight, which was probably his biggest payday (guaranteed $150,000 but against 22 1/2% of the take - including all closed circuit internationally. It was said he made about $500,000). Foreman ended up fighting Boone Kirkman instead - which was decent - but then went down a different path, fighting journeymen for the next two years, when it looked like he was stepping up. It would have been very interesting to see a green Foreman against a very hot Quarry in late '70.