Lennox Lewis Vs Vitali Klitschko 2- Who Wins A Rematch?

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  1. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where do you see these contenders ranked in the top 5? I'm looking at the annual Ring ratings and don't see any of their names. I'm only looking at Vitali's comeback.

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    Sam Peter - WBC champion. Ranked #2 by the Ring.
    Juan Carlos Gomez - Solid amateur record (158-12) w/ Gold in Junior Championship. Former CW champ. Only had 1 loss in 45 fights. Ranked #9 at the end of 2008.
    Chris Arreola - 27-0. Ranked #6 at the end of 2009. Undefeated fighter.
    Kevin Johnson - 22-0-1. Another undefeated fighter.
    Albert Sosnowski - European champion. Not the greatest name, but 45-2-1.
    Shannon Briggs - Former 2x title holder.
    Odlanier Solis - Olympic Gold Medalist in 2004 (HW). 17-0. Another undefeated fighter.
    Tomasz Adamek - Former LHW & CW champ. 44-1. Ranked #4 at the end of 2010.
    Derek Chisora - 15-2. Probably could have fought someone else who wasn't coming off a loss.
    Manuel Charr - 21-0. Another undefeated fighter.

    In the 10 WBC title fights, 4 of them were rated in the top 10 by the Ring. Another 3 were undefeated. 1 has proven to be a solid contender (Chisora). 1 was a 2x former title holder (Briggs). 1 was a European champion (Sosnowski).

    You have to be kidding me about this undefeated stuff? You think if Mayweather loses his "0" his marketability doesn't massively go down?

    Who should have Vitali fought instead of these guys? Toney? Who Peter beat twice? A 47 year old Holyfield?
     
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  2. McGrain

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    Who? If you tell me what you want to know i'll tell you when they were ranked and where, but I'm not about to go through listing every single one of them and where they ranked when. But they were all ranked by RING during Vitall's active years, to answer your question.

    I don't even know what you are referring to?

    Almost certainly it would. But fighters make millions after they get defeated by Wladimir Klitschko. You know this. Even if they weren't marketable, fighting them would have improved his resume, which is the point.

    I mean, if you want...it would be rather like Vitali to match the busted version rather than the version who was ranked in the top five heavyweights on earth in 2003, 2004 and 2005. If you want a date, I'd suggest the best thing Vitali could have done for his resume as regards James Toney is to fight him at some point after he defeated Holyfield - instead met guys like Danny Williams or Juan Carlos Gomez. That seems more like sense, doesn't it? Although some of Vitali's opposition was so bad, that yes, meeting Toney would have been better for him even after he lost to Peter.

    :lol: if you like. Are you ok?
     
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  3. Jakub79

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    He took it—he did everything he could to fight Lewis. After his decisive defeat to Wlad, Byrd ceased to be an attractive opponent for Vito. If you don't fight someone weaker to fight someone better—I don't see a problem.
    And no, I don't think Byrd was Vito's second-best opponent. That's debatable. Sanders and Peter seem equally good or better.
    Bowe would definitely be Lewis's best opponent, even though most people rate Bowe outside the top 10. But still, there's no one like Bowe from 1993-1995.
    Lewis was Vito's best opponent throughout Vito's career, and Vito did everything he could to fight him. That's why I'll forgive him for Byrd, who was completely demolished by his brother.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Maybe, but this is a shadow argument. People say Vitali isn't great because he didn't prove his greatness. That's the counter position. Byrd, because he beat Vitali is greater than Sanders and Peter. Do you see that? I'm putting it crudely, and it's more nuanced than that but for the purposes of discussion, even if Peter was a slightly better boxer than Byrd (not for me) he didn't prove that in legacy terms - Byrd has the greater fighter's legacy.

    To "make up" for losing to the two best legacy fighters he met, Vitali, ideally, should replace those legacy fighters either by prolonged dominance over top opposition, or by interfering with the "lost to bother of them" criticism by beating someone who has a comparable legacy to, ideally Vitali (Lewis beating Vitali after Bowe), but if not (Byrd). There were men, who in combination, certainly put paid to the second and Vitali never achieved this (or anything like it.

    At the very least, can you admit that Lewis defeating Vitali makes his failure to fight Bowe more palatable? And understand why that matters in terms of his legacy?

    In legacy terms, certainly not, in literal terms - highly, highly debatable. I think Vitali should be favoured against him and I think if they'd met six times in stead of three, Holyfield would have got over on him too (or come out 3-3 at worst). You really think Bowe was definitely better than Vitali?
     
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  5. Ted Spoon

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    Vitali Klitschko must have thee most undeserved reputation for being a head-to-head monster.

    One valiant loss to an old Lewis (who is currently enjoying his indian summer of affection) and he's a problem for any great in their prime.

    No.
     
  6. Jakub79

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    According to your logic, if I understand it correctly, Vit defeated fighters with better scalps than himself. So if he defeated Purritty, Donald, or Sanders, then I guess everything was fine and he didn't need Byrd.
     
  7. McGrain

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    I don't think you've quite grasped it, no.
     
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  8. brb

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    I can go through all of his attributes and explain why most of them were great if you want me to, but he was beating Lewis like Lewis had never been beat before.

    In my mind while a cut is a way to win it happens so infrequent and frankly a "lucky" way to win.
     
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  9. Dynamicpuncher

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    Why do people constantly say this ?

    Vitali was only up 4-2 after 6 rounds with a case for the fight being 3-3.

    Lewis after struggling in the first few rounds seemed to be regaining momentum coming off his best round of the fight in the 6th round. In which he almost knocked Vitali's head clean off his shoulders with an uppercut.

    It's not the first time Lewis has been behind in the 1st half of the fight.

    Lewis was struggling in the 1st half of the fight vs Mercer, Bruno, in which he was arguably behind in both fights after 5 or 6 rounds until pulling it out late on.

    Infact Mercer gave Lewis a tougher fight overall than Vitali did.

    "Vitali beating Lewis like he'd never been before" Is a huge exaggeration.

    Especially since Vitali was the one who had surgery almost going blind in one eye needing 60+ stitches.
     
  10. mr. magoo

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    At that point it’s hard to say weather or not Lewis COULD still get back into ideal shape. If he did then he’d have a very good chance of winning again. But it would most likely have to be by some other means and outcome. You can’t bank on a nasty cut like that happening twice
     
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  11. Jakub79

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    I think you've realized your own lack of logic. That's enough.

    Let's summarize:

    Vitalis 2003 is the best opponent Lewis has faced in his entire career.
    Byrd is at best the second-best opponent Vitali has faced in his career and was never as good as Lewis 2003.
    Vitali wants to fight Lewis more than he wants to fight Byrd, and he is fighting Lewis. Before Vitali went to fight Lewis, Byrd had already fought for and won the IBF belt.
    If I've made a mistake, if something is incorrect, please correct me.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Vitali would have a better resume if he'd fought better fighters. There were many to chose from.

    Byrd is generally held to be the second greatest fighter Vitali met, and this is certainly the case by my eye. His posting losses to both Byrd and Lewis results in frustration in the eyes of those who consider him overrated. His refusal/inability/terrible bad luck in not meeting other comparable fighters frustrates them further.

    If you find deep illogic in that, more power to you, keep at it. I consider it all irrefutably logical.
     
  13. Jakub79

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    In his heyday, he, his brother, and Lennox Lewis were considered the best. He fought Lewis and did his best to do it again. He couldn't fight his brother, understandably, but he defeated those who defeated his brother. What choice did he have? Lennox Lewis chose Kirk Johnson, and Vitali fought Lewis and then demolished Johnson like Kirk was in a different league. He fought a guy who was the main contender and challenged the champion.
     
  14. brb

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    Lewis was struggling at first against Mercer & Bruno, but the first few rounds against VK was worse. Round 2 specifically was probably the worst round Lewis ever had besides the fights where he got knocked out. He was getting battered all around the ring. Mercer would consistently land some flurries, but they weren't as powerful as the shots VK landed.

    I'm not sure why people think Mercer won that fight. Yea, the fight was close, but Mercer won only 3 rounds to me.
     
  15. Dynamicpuncher

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    As I said I think you're exaggerating.

    Lewis had a bad round in the 2nd round but then after that he started walking Vitali down and landing hard shots of his own.

    The last few rounds of the fight Lewis had turned the momentum in his favour landing a deadly uppercut in the 6th round. And then Vitali was holding on at the end of the 6th round.

    It's not unusual for Lewis to get off to a slow start in a fight sometimes.

    Briggs won the first 2 rounds vs Lewis and had him badly staggered in the 1st round almost knocking him down.
     
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