Who is your favorite world champions who have a journeyman record ?

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  1. Macedoine62

    Macedoine62 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who is your favorite world champions with a journeyman record (a lot of defeats) between this list :
    - Napa Kiatwanchai
    - Cristobal Cruz
    - Orlando Salido
    - Oswaldo Novoa
    - Jhonny Gonzalez
    - Victor Rabanales
    - Muhammad Rachman
    - Nico Thomas
    - Rene Mark Cuarto
    - Sonny Boy Jaro
    - Edgar Sosa
    - Julio César Miranda
    - Gamaliel Diaz
    - Prudencio Cardona
    - Aquiles Guzmán
    - Lorenzo Parra
     
  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Glen Johnson would be high on my list as close to how I think you're defining it as I can get.
     
  3. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Screw Salido.
     
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  4. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LOL.

    I don’t need to ask why.

    (He introduced an amateur to pro boxing and roughed him up.)
     
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    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Freddie Pendleton
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    James Braddock
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Glencoffe Johnson, he's this era's best Cinderella Man IMO
     
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  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Gotta give Kelvin Seabrooks a shout here.

    He WAS a journeyman and then kind of caught fire mid-career when he settled in at bantamweight after fighting a lot of too-heavy or just-too-good-for-him-at-the-time guys, mostly on short notice.

    True action fighter with no real promotional backing, always a B-sider, but broke through and for a time was up there with anyone at 118 in the late 1980s.

    Ended up 28-22, but you can shave off everything starting in 1990 (taking paydays on the road, back to fighting bigger guys, cashing in as he won just one of his last eight with several KO losses) after his second KO loss to Orlando Canizales.
     
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  9. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I was a big Jhonny Gonzalez fan. He had skills.He was always competitive, always tried hard and always put on a good show.
     
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  10. Yorbals

    Yorbals Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hiroshi Kobayashi
     
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  11. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Out of the fighters listed Jhonny Gonzalez and Orlando Salido for me. Although I wouldn't consider those guys having "jouneyman" record at all.

    Guys like Victor Rabanales, Freddie Pendleton, Glen Johnson, Livingstone Bramble have records that look "journeyman"-like due to having more than 20 losses despite being world champs at one point.
     
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  12. Steve Fero

    Steve Fero Active Member Full Member

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    Don’t know enough about guys on your list. My vote is Jersey Joe Walcott. He had no management until end of ww2 taking fights on short notice little time to train even forced at times to take dives like a lot of black fighters before end of WW 2.
     
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  13. McCallumsJab

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    Steve Robinson has a rags to riches career that I truly appreciated

    Jonny Nelson is worth a mention
     
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  14. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Frankie Randall.
     
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  15. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was just about to say the exact same thing. And the guy could punch. KO wins over Montiel, Vorapin , Pastrano, and Too Sharp Johnson are pretty impressive. And, just when it looked like he was all but finished, he shocked a prime Abner Mares in one. What a fighter!
     
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