Current Deontay Wilder vs. Prime Otto Wallin

I think even this Wilder has enough in the tank to stop Wallin, who is not powerful and not particularly good in his own right...

 

I just dont rate Wilder. Like at all.

 

Plus, Fury went life and death with Otto Wallin

 

That era of fury was packing pillows in his fists, him not having the power to get Otto out when he needed to was the reason he switched trainer.

Prime Sugar Hill fury is no George Forman but I’d be confident that version knocks Otto out.

 

AJ played with him, he couldn’t win rounds against a cut up fury and an old washed up Chisora showed he doesn’t have it in him to go 12 rounds with a fighter coming straight at him.

Even against a washed wilder I wouldn’t exactly make him a favourite

 

Maybe, but as to the question in this thread:
(1) Fury could just as easily put in an Ngannou performance. He's not very reliable
(2) Pre-Kronk Fury, drew with Wilder, then went life and death with Wallin. - that draw being Wilder's best "win" to some

 

Deontay Wilder has had 50 pro fights.

Wilder's lost one decision in those 50 fights.
Wilder's floored or stopped his opponents in 48 of those 50 fights.

I don't understand why this is so hard for some of you guys.

I really don't.

 

“Life and death” is hyperbolic. Despite Fury having a huge hole in the side of his face leaking blood for 9 rounds, he clearly outboxed Wallin on the scorecards and no one seriously thinks Wallin did enough to earn a draw, let alone a win.

Don’t get me wrong, it was a terrible version of Fury, but there’s no debate that he won - so I wouldn’t really call that “life and death”. Fury-Ngannou, on the other hand, you could say he went life and death with him.

 

Because Wilder is shot to pieces. You picked him to beat Parker and Zhang in his shot years, and Fury x3 in his prime.

 

I'm going to go with Wallin. Chisora was just a perfect matchup for a Wilder struggling with a loss of speed. Chisoras slower, smaller less powerful brawler who isn't used to fighting guys like Wilder. Not an unbreakable chin. Even if Chisoras better then Wallin, Wallin is not that perfect matchup. Not to say Wilder needs such a favorable situation to win but he hasn't proven he doesn't yet.

I think Wallins better then Chisora and was better for most of their shared careers and they fought during the brief time they weren't. Chisora while not in his physical peak is much better at boxing then when he was. None of that mattered if Chisora can't fight the kind of fight he needed to fight to beat Wilder.

Wallins Gassiev win is aging okay.

 

Wrong. I didn't pick Wilder to beat Parker or Zhang. And Wilder dropped Fury four times in Fury's prime.

Deontay Wilder has lost one decision in 50 fights.
Deontay Wilder has dropped or stopped his opponents in 48 of his 50 fights ...

Including scoring a half-dozen knockdowns in his last two fights.

Otto Wallin sucks.

They have three common opponents. I don't need to tell you who did better against all three.

I believe Wilder has SEVEN official knockdowns combined against their three common opponents (to Wallin's ZERO), and he should've had three more (on top of the official two) that weren't called against Chisora.

 

I think prime Otto Wallin would beat current Wilder, prime Wallin being the version we saw against Fury. I'd also take the pre-Joshua versions who fought Breazeale and Gassiev over current Wilder.

I say this because Wallin was highly motivated against Fury (especially), Breazeale and Gassiev, whereas he was coming for a payday against Joshua and Chisora. The version who fought Fury wasn't just in his athletic prime at 28; he was an unknown quantity (his best prior win being a domestic level Swede in Granat) and easy to underestimate.

Two and a bit years ago, I thought Wilder would beat boxer-mover Parker, but instead he got shut out. This isn't because of some stylistic or level advantage Parker had over Wilder per se; Wardley stopped him, and a prime Wilder probably would too. It was largely because Wilder was shot.

Wilder has had trouble with southpaws: would Szpilka beat Gassiev or even final career fight Breazeale? I'd say "certainly not" and "doubtful" respectively. Yet southpaw Szpilka gave prime Wilder a couple of problems.

Southpaw Ortiz was significantly better than Wallin but (at least at 38+) he had slower feet, a worse engine and probably an inferior chin. He gave prime Wilder his most challenging non-Fury fights.

41 year old southpaw Zhang outboxed and flattened Wilder in 5 rounds almost 2 years ago now.

Wilder beat Chisora because Chisora (who'd been out of the ring 14 months since he fought Wallin, which can matter at 42) stood right in front of him swinging shots, providing loads of openings for Wilder to connect with several winging punches in a row. Wallin is a totally different stylistic challenge, and he'd be 28 rather than 42.

The Fury fight flattered Wallin but had he been a Tom Schwarz type, Fury would have destroyed him all the same (cut or no cut).

 

Otto outboxes him like he did Gassiev. Wilder's shot to bits.