Oscar De La Hoya vs Terence Crawford

hed get to oscars body

 

who did you see at 147 touch oscars body like bud would

 

both contraversial dec

 

I have never said that Terence didn’t fight everyone that he could have.

Yes, I know who ducked him.

But what I’m saying is, despite how great he is, he is simply unproven against prime, elite level opposition.

Now surely that has to matter.


Yes, Oscar won and lost.

But he was lucky and unlucky.

He was lucky against Sturm, but unlucky against Tito and Mosley.

Yes, he lost to Floyd and Manny, but they were almost prime, whereas he was at the end of his career.

But whatever the results, Oscar was proven against prime ATG’s.


Terence is one of my favourite fighters.

But the fact remains, his biggest wins have been against Spence and Canelo.


Yes, Terence looks to be so great, that it’s realistic to me, that he COULD have beaten Oscar’s opposition.

However, until a guy proves that he can beat prime, ATG opposition, then the dury is out.

Question marks are there.


Now you are correctly saying that he’s not had the OPPORTUNITY to fight any prime greats.

Absolutely.

And I feel for him.

Because a fighter needs the opportunity.

However, until that happens, fairly or unfairly, any fighter in that position is simply unproven.


Now your statement is based upon nothing.

I don’t mean to be offensive. But it’s simply true.

You cannot tell me that you think that the Madramov fight was a draw, but then at the same time, claim that he’d have beaten Floyd, Manny and Hopkins, as well as everyone else on Oscar’s resume.

It’s an opinion that carries no weight whatsoever.


He simply hasn’t done enough in order for you to make such a claim.

 

And you should have an objective debate for once, instead of messing around trolling.

 

None of those guys fight in any similar style. There's no more to say about that.

ok cool...

 

Respect your opinion. My only critique is styles make fights. Floyd and Manny fight nothing like Madrimov. I shouldve specified to not include BHop since Bud never fought at 60.

 

If Madrimovs faints, movement, awkwardness, distance, and defense troubled Crawford, i could only imagine what Floyd, Oscar, and Manny would've done

 

Apples and oranges. All of Floyd, Manny, and DLH started at lower weights while Madrimov started at 154. Israel was bruised up pretty bad after the fight indicating he was able to absorb punches likely because hes bigger.

Also, Floyd and DLH were extremely conventional. Manny was more unconventional when he started at WW but his style became more conventional as he got settled and especially after the JMM KO defeat.

I liken Madrimov quirkiness to Emanuel Augustus who beat the **** outta Floyd even if Floyd won the fight. Just awkward and no established fight pattern. Fighters who rely on countering struggle with that style which is why Bud and Floyd struggled with awkwars fighters who have their own style.

Floyd wouldve ducked Bud. Manny did duck Bud (through Roach). DLH wouldve fought Bud and wouldve lost.

 

Dude, Madrimov has done NOTHING as a pro yet. If he's the basis for your argument, you are skating uphill...

 

I know they don’t.


But the point is:

He barely beat Madramov, he’s never beaten a prime HOF/ATG fighter, yet you are certain that he’d have beaten all of Oscar’s opposition.


Again, that is a huge call, and with little evidence to back it.

 

Oscar at 154.

 

Augustus was better than Madrimov. Unlike Madrimov, Augustus was pretty good at fighting on the inside and letting his hands go. Floyd's performance against Augustus is actually better than Crawford's against Madrimov

 

Virgil actually had the better performance against madrimov if we're being honest