Current Deontay Wilder vs. Prime Otto Wallin

This should be billed as the most exciting heavyweight of this generation vs the most boring heavyweight of this generation

 

That's not what I saw. Even in round 1 against Wilder, Chisora was visibly slower....His hooks were so so slow it was horrible to watch. The fact Wilder couldn't KO a guy who was made for him, stylistically, just exposes Wilder's lack of fundamentals even more.

Chisora vs Itauma would end in Itauma knocking out Chisora in round one.

 

Guess what, that's exactly the state Chisora has been since the Fury trilogy, some just refused to acknowledge it, I've been saying it. He has been badly declined, slow and lethargic for 3-4 years now

Chisora vs Itauma would have always ended badly. Itauma would smoke prime Chisora, the gulf in talent is astronomical

 

But Wilder should be 'Smoking' Chisora....Some people, somehow, illogically, consider Wilder to be in at worst the 4th best HW of this Era, after Usyk, Fury and Joshua, some even, incredulously, have him above Joshua.

Deontay Wilder's resume is possibly top 10 in this era, but even that is questionable as Zhang and Parker victories over Wilder, put Wilder beneath them.

There's a myth going round that Wilder isn't in his prime....When the reality is, that this is what Wilder has always been. He would've lost to Zhang and Parker any time during his career, because he's just not very good.

 

Maybe he didn't KO Chisora because all his athletic traits and his gunslinger mentality that could made up for his lack of fundamentals were gone at that age. But guess what ? Wallin got beat up by that same old decrepit Chisora.

Wilder has been pushing 40, why are you acting like he's the same guy he was in his early 30s, he's not, biology practically forbids it. He was more explosive and actually threw his jab more against a far superior fighter in Fury.

 

10 years ago Wilder went a combined 49 rounds with Stiverne, Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka and Molina.....Wilder has never had this power than you claim he's lost.

He went 12 rounds with Stiverne 10 years ago, and has just gone 12 rounds with a 42 year old Chisora in recent weeks. He's just never had this mythical power.

 

Hahaha. 43 of 45 wins by KO. Just ask Wilders real life opponents.

He one shotted Breazeale after aj took 7 to get rid of him. Breazeale said Wilder hits harder.

Molina (who joshua beat quicker) said Wilder hit harder.

Fury called him the hardest puncher he has faced.

Helanius sparred Wilder for years stating him to have otherworldly power.

Haye called him the heaviest puncher he had ever been in the ring with

Wilder always had top tier power regardless of his subpar delivery system. But keep disintegrating him, this one trick pony managed to reign in this era for FIVE YEARS ! He is Tyson Furys second best win

 

It's a myth that a 40 year old who is twice as slow as he used to be is past his prime?

 

Wallin is a light puncher who can't deal well with a tough pressure fighter. Shot Wilder still has significantly more power than Wallin so he could take advantage of Chisora's style. Prime Wallin vs shot Wilder is an entirely different matchup. Chisora destroyed southpaw Szpilka in 2, Wilder took 9 and lost a few rounds, even though Wilder is better than Chisora.

Boxing fans speculate on the unquantifIable all of the time, the speculation itself may be founded or unfounded. Wallin talked about retiring after Joshua battered him, suggesting a loss of motivation. Going into the Joshua fight he would have known he was heading for a whooping if Joshua wasn't shot, as Joshua had handled Wallin in sparring years prior. I assume that he was more motivated against Fury, where he showed a lot of guts (rather than quitting), and against Breazeale and Gassiev when he was still chasing a big money fight.

Wlad being unmotivated vs Fury is baseless. It's more accurate to say that Wlad had never been more motivated, or at least not since Haye:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/wlad-was-dying-for-a-rematch-with-fury.696499/#post-22075784

 

I think prime Wilder is a better fighter than Fabio Wardley yet Wardley KO'd Joey 11, whereas shot Wilder didn't win a single round and barely threw a meaningful punch. Add two losses, one by brutal KO, plus more than two years of ageing, and Wilder's even worse than he was then.

At some point Wilder is shot enough to lose to Wallin, just as (to take a more extreme example) Tyson got schooled by Jake Paul. I think a 40 year old Wilder would lose most of the rounds to prime Wallin (who is, for his flaws, significantly less hittable than 42 year old Chisora) and would need a KO/multiple KD's to win, which I doubt would come. He recently took 7 rounds to controversially stop a bum who Ajagba wasted in 90 seconds, Ajagba being a poor man's prime Wilder.

I don't agree that shot Wilder is a top 10 heavyweight, any more than Wallin was top 10. There are more than 10 guys in the division who would be favoured over Wilder now.

 

I think it's a styles make fights situation. Prime Wallin may lose to 41 Chisora but beat 40 Wilder, even though 40 Wilder beat 42 Chisora. On paper, there was a massive disparity in ability between Foreman and Ali in Foreman's favour, moreso in fact because Foreman had totally obliterated two opponents who'd given Ali a beating.

Chisora was a good win for Wilder given Wilder was perceived going in, I think correctly, as more shot than Chisora. But it was also a good stylistic matchup for Wilder and it's a mistake to believe he still has something meaningful left, in my opinion.

Gassiev isn't a legitimate top 10 heavyweight, plus Wallin beat him. Ajagba may not be, but he did waste Tyrell Herndon in 90 seconds and has some credible results without a loss in several years. I expect Itauma would demolish Wilder. A lot of guys outside the official top 10 can beat Wilder. I'd take Zhang to smash him again, even though he's on the slide. If Wilder proves me wrong and beats a contender I'll hold my hands up.

 

If Joseph Parker is "Joey 11" doesn't that make Wilder "Deon 5"?