Of course it can do for some. For me, film can help to a limited extent, but only to assess how good a fighter was relative to their era. I completely discount cross era H2H from my rankings.
I love your researched lists at/around a weight class. Appreciate the work you put in. I figure JHL has to be in the top 10. I have Spinks higher than you or Teddy but I’m not just looking at resume but also the eye test and the dominance …. Michael cleaned out a stacked division. Didn’t fight ‘em all as some knocked off others, but pre-title wins over the likes of Pops Johnson and Yaqui Lopez go a long way toward adding to an already impressive resume. (I’m not a list-maker per se so if you asked me for a top 10 today and again next week they might look different, but I maintain that Michael Spinks is the best light heavyweight who ever lived.) Also glad you addressed your position on why Maxie didn’t make the cut. He’s a curiousity … could obviously hang with (and beat) the best but I wonder how many of those head-scratching losses in his case come down to judges not liking or knowing what to make of his slapsy style.
Cheers, Pat. From memory, JHL is unbeaten at the weight, going around 47-0-3 and he has some decent wins. I think he's an underrated LHW, rarely do I see him on top 10 lists. That said, I could see my #2-6 in just about any order, so absolutely no problem having Spinks above JHL. Both fantastic LHWs. Rosenbloom is very tough to rate. He didn't make my 20, but I score dominance and consistency highly, and he did lose a lot. Something I will say for him, he seemed to do better when the title is on the line.
I'm curious where do people have Virgil Hill and Dariusz Michalczewski in their lists. Two guys who I don't really see lot of people talk about despite being long reigning champs.
Why that’s the whole fun of it. That has been argued since the beginning of boxing. It will never stop.
I think they are rated as lower tier greats perhaps people probably don't rate there resumes to put them high in lists.
Here's mine: 1. Ezzard Charles 2. Sam Langford 3. Archie Moore 4. Michael Spinks 5. Gene Tunney 6. Billy Conn 7. Bob Foster 8. Roy Jones Jr. 9. Tommy Loughran 10. (tie) Artur Beterbiev and Dimitry Bivol While Beterbiev and Bivol haven't had the same number of fights that a lot of past guys did, i think you can make a case for both guys based on how good they look on film. I also prefer to rate Greb at middleweight but you can certainly make a case for him being top 10 at light-heavyweight. I find it very hard to rank John Henry Lewis due to lack of footage. I do like to see how good someone looks on video before i rank them. I make an exception for Greb due to how good his opponents look on video, which is why i have Greb as a top 5 middleweight. Honourable mention: John Henry Lewis,Harold Johnson, Maxie Rosenbloom, Tommy Gibbons, Sergey Kovalev,
I like the HM for Tommy Gibbons, DMT. He split his work thin over MW, LHW and HW, but still did very good work at LHW, which tells you how brilliant his overall record is. Another deserving of an HM, that I haven't seen mentioned yet in this thread, is Jack Delaney, who has some terrific wins at LHW.
Thanks. Delaney is such a good mention. I forgot about him. I should add Jimmy Bivins as well. So many great fighters like Delaney sometimes get lost with the passage of time. Its been a long time since i read about old time boxing but i look forward to reading more about this era of great fighters.