Ali of Berbick vs Frazier of Jumbo Cummings

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Smokeless Joe or Listless Muhammad?

  1. Ali decision

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  2. Ali KO

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  3. Frazier decision

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  4. Frazier KO

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  5. Draw

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    3.3%
  6. What kind of sadist even thinks this up?

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali lost a decision to Trevor just a few days after Joe huffed and puffed his way to a gift draw vs prison muscleman Jumbo.

    But which version is better, the Ali of his last fight or the Frazier of his finale, as ignominious as those bouts were?

    If they had fought each other instead, over 10 rounds, at that time, who wins?
     
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  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've never seen Frazier vs Cummings but by all accounts Frazier got a gift decision and looked pretty bad.

    I've seen Ali vs Berbick and whilst Ali did clearly lose he did make it competitive and won atleast 3 rounds in my opinion.

    I'd say Ali was probably better vs Berbick so I'd favour him by decision.
     
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  3. slash

    slash Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frazier, to put it bluntly, wanted to kill Muhammad Ali. He would have found some motivation for one last go-round with the great one.
     
  4. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That fight never happened is proof there is a God.
     
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  5. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I feel like a draw there is not controversial.
     
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  6. newurban99

    newurban99 Active Member Full Member

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    I would prefer not to imagine it.
     
  7. DS Phil Hunter

    DS Phil Hunter Active Member Full Member

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    Ali had been more active than Fraizer who had retired after the Foreman rematch in 1976 overall up until 1981 so he wins on that front.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    Do you mind if I don't even think about it?
     
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  9. Steve Fero

    Steve Fero Active Member Full Member

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    Ali was sick I think Frazier may have had a little more left in the tank. He takes a sloppy decision.
     
  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1981 Frazier beats 1981 Ali.

    Ali would miss everything. He had no accuracy left. He even closed his eyes most of the time he threw punches, at that point.

    Frazier might have even stopped him late. Berbick was a little intimidated. Frazier would've viewed it as an opportunity to hit Ali at will with Ali not being able to escape.
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Ali deserved the decision against Berbick which says legions about what he had left in the tank.

    It is criminal that he wasn't allowed to continue his career and face Weaver, Smith, Tubbs, Tucker, even Tyson, possibly even Lewis. He would have many more straps to his name and a legacy that was unapproachable.
     
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    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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  14. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali wins a decision in a fight that only someone who is clinically insane or a sadist would want to see.
     
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  15. BCS8

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    I think I'll go watch Johnny Nelson vs De Leon, rather.
     
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