We have no evidence that Harry Greb was that good.

Training sessions do not confirm anything.

 

I appreciate this is a trolling thread, the type I normally ignore, but for whatever reason, I'll make an exception, and will take the bait.

The deepest resume in boxing history, with film of the multiple ATGs he beat, doesn't constitute evidence now?

It is true that it is theoretically possible that Greb looked awful. What is beyond dispute, is that he was amongst the most effective fighters in history vs the greatest fighters of his/their era.

 

Harry Greb's wins over top 10 rated fighters:

Tommy Gibbons x2
Gene Tunney x1
Kid Norfolk x1
Maxie Rosenbloom x1
Mickey Walker x1
Johnny Wilson x3
Jeff Smith x6
Tommy Loughran x4
Charley Weinert x1
Art Weigand x1
Allentown Joe Gans x1
Ted Moore x2
Tony Marullo x2
Martin Burke x1
Mike McTigue x2
Jimmy Slattery x1
Quintin Rojas x1
Jack Renault x2
Tiger Flowers x1
Jimmy Delaney x3
Roland Todd x1
Frank Moody x1

That's a total of 39 wins over top 10 ring rated fighters. And those are men who managed to get ranked between only 1924-1926, as no official rankings existed prior to that part of Greb's career.

Wins over Hall of Famers:

Battling Levinsky x6
Jack Dillon x2
Mike Gibbons x1
Tommy Gibbons x2
Tommy Loughran x4
Kid Norfolk x1
Jeff Smith x6
Maxie Rosenbloom x1
Mickey Walker x1
Leo Houck x3
Jimmy Slattery x1
Gene Tunney x1
Billy Miske x2
Tiger Flowers x1

That's 32 wins over Hall of Famers. As many as Inoue (arguably the current P4P best fighter in the world) has fights.

Wins over champions:

Al McCoy x2
George Chip x2
Bob Moha x6
Johnny Wilson x3
Gene Tunney x1
Mike Gibbons x1
Mickey Walker x1
Maxie Rosenbloom x1
Mike McTigue x2
Tiger Flowers x1
Jack Dillon x2
Battling Levinsky x6
Tommy Loughran x4
Jimmy Slattery x1
Kid Norfolk x1 (coloured chanpion)

That makes for 34 wins over 15 different champions. 10 more than Floyd's so called all time record of 24 against 22 champions, in an era with twice the amount of divisions and 2-4 times the amount of belts.

Yeah, no evidence he was good at all.

 

I mean what's true is there is footage of some the guys Greb beat.

I think that is kind of a good counter argument to this.

 

We have no video evidence he was very good. We've got plenty of evidence.

Hes not the GOAT and theres lots of weaknesses in his resume. If you're trying to claim that. Point fighter in the NWS era and all. If you're trying to claim he wasn't a P4P ATG yeah no he was.

 

Yes i was just thinking to myself too that Bach couldn't be all that as i never witnessed him performing the St Matthew Passion or the Goldberg variations.

 

Are we talking real wins or just newspaper decisions, which are worthless.

 

No footage of Greb-Tunney I? Just that he beat Tunney commands respect.. serious respect.. mad respect.

I'll have to try to find some Harry Greb videos on YouTube.

 

Finally, somebody agrees with me about Bach!

 

I mean, even if we don't, he's got wins over HOF's like Loughran, Walker, and Tommy Gibbons plus official wins over champions and claimants like Jeff Smith, Eddie McGoorty, Al McCoy, Bob Moha, and Johnny Wilson. Going 108-8-3 in your official career with those wins indicate that he was probably...decent.

 

You know what? Looking at that footage I think I could beat Greb!

Yes, I said it!

 

We have the quality of the men he beat.

 

We have the 'Quality of the Men he Beat', many of which we have Film for and likewise the many who in turn 'they' beat...

Plenty of Evidence.

 

Well there was this guy on r/boxing arguing that a common paesant from today's time would be able to beat the lights out of John L Sullivan so maybe he just migrated!