What adavantages did Frazier have over Marciano that allowed him to thrive in the 60s and 70s?

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  1. mcvey

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    He cut and was marked up in all his major fights.
     
  2. mcvey

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    Frazier had better cut resistance too.
     
  3. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    that had a lot to do with his skin tone, i think.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Ali said Marciano had no style .
    Louis called him a street brawler,AFTER their fight.
     
  5. mcvey

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    So does his popularity!
     
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  6. mcvey

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    Marciano was slower ,more methodical ,and cut easily.
    I think he beats Frazier because he had two fisted power,but he would not fare well against the super heavies he has no advantages over them,and would be bombed out before his conditioning could come into play.imo
     
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  7. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He also said that Marciano would be his toughest opponent out of all former HW champs.
     
  8. McGrain

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    He was both bigger and faster. Being bigger isn't a huge advantage with these sort of differences, being faster is always a meaningful advantage, but being bigger and faster moves him up a tier.
     
  9. OddR

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    To me Marciano appeared harder to tag clean than Frazier but I could easily be wrong.
     
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  10. Man_Machine

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    Frazier is a Marciano upgrade, not just in terms of size and speed, but as the more integrated package. He had the more fluid style embedded into his bob-and-weave defense, seamlessly blended with his ring-cutting ability and offensive posture.

    This is in slight contrast to Marciano's sheer relentlessness with his non-stop, primal engine designed to overwhelm.

    Joe was also relentless, but his offense was deceptively sophisticated. Whereas Marciano's opponents would quickly come to realize that they were being bludgeoned, Frazier's opponents were more akin to slow-boiled frogs that didn't realize how hot the water was getting until it was too late.
     
  11. Flash24

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    Frazier also fought bigger and better overall competition.
    That should factor in when comparing both men defensively.
     
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  12. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fair enough I would agree Frazier's opponents were greater for the most part.
     
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  13. nyterpfan

    nyterpfan Active Member Full Member

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    Agree with this summary 100%! (Additionally, Marciano was much more vulnerable to cuts.)
     
  14. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They wouldn’t be correct. I didn’t say he was fancy. Or overtly scientific. His game plan was simple but he performed it brilliantly. Relentless pressure.
     
  15. slash

    slash Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know.. but I think Marciano beats Frazier
     
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