Ali vs Weaver & Ali versus Tate 1982

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This was how some had mapped out Muhammad Ali's run toward his 4th title. After his vintage performance in The Drama in Bahamas, both these fights seemed winnable, and would have greased the tracks to at least another belt, if not a proper performance against Holmes in a return match. How far could Ali have gone? Could he have bridge the division till Tyson? Till Bowe? Till Lews even???
     
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  2. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 OFFICIAL THREAD DIDDLER banned Full Member

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    There's joking around and then there's just plain disrespect
     
  3. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    It is unlikely that Ali would’ve won either of those fights. The reality is that he essentially had nothing left. His physical skills were diminishing. He was not nearly what he used to be. There was nothing about the Berbick fight that made me think he could go on to beat other relatively top fighters of that time.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Ali looks sharp here. He's just facing a new generation of athletes. Everyone is a Ron Lyle. Everyone is a George Foreman. No more Henry Coopers, or even Joe Fraziers here. And he does well.

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  5. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You need your cataracts removed!:duh
     
  6. GoldenHulk

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    Shamus been smokin too much herb with Doby out in the desert.
     
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    Very perceptive from Seamus as always.

    Ali had been a little tired for Holmes in their first. In a rematch he would have taught ol Larry what jabbing was all about. His incredible footwork and amazing speed would have broken Holmes down until: Ali wins by KO in the 10th.

    Ali would have used his incredible toughness and amazing chin against Tyson. He would have rope a doped Tyson for 10 rounds until Mike, exhausted from trying to pound on a granite wall, loses by KO in the 10th.

    Ali would have used his trash talking and menacing aura against Bowe. Bowe would have wilted before Ali's incredible wit and amazing studliness. He would have been all confused in there and would have taken a terrible pounding until Ali wins by KO in the 10th.

    People think Lewis would have been a challenge for Ali. They are wrong. Ali would have fused all the aforementioned powers into becoming the invincible fighter. Like a super sayian Goku type.

    Given that Ali has the speed edge, the edge in reach because he KOd Liston, the chin edge because Shavers clobbered him and couldn't stop him and the power edge because he KOd Sonny Liston and the charisma edge because he would have taken a toy lion and punched it in a news conference while saying "this ain't no lion, lenny is dyin' in zion" ... Lewis would be severely at a disadvantage. Ali would start fast and win, KO1.

    That's how it would go.

    Then he'd spank Wlad too.
     
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  9. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Amen to that,Mandela.
     
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  10. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Ali isn't coming close to beating either man in 82. No chance at all
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    The fact remains that Ali put up a damn fine performance against a guy who would grab the WBC strap a few years later. The Holmes fight, for which he is so remembered as declining, was more an aberration than where he actually was in his progression. To say he could not remain a factor in the division is not an accurate reading of the state of affairs.

    And to all the pearlclutchers, we recently watched the likes of Meldrick Taylor and Terry Norris among many others in both boxing and MMA fight in worse condition than Ali (anyone listen to Max Halloway speak lately?). None of your favorite fighters got out of the game unscathed. That crap about having "all their faculties" is a fairy tale. Just because they can do a 2 minute interview or show up at a memorabilia show does mean they struggle outside the limelight.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Ali aged horribly. Not like Holmes or Foreman. If Ali aged like Holmes, I'd give him a real shot. Imagine 43 year old Ali fighting prime Ray Mercer
     
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  13. Fergy

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    I don't want to imagine that!
    I know Ray wasn't the greatest heavyweight but can you imagine the beating he gives that Ali??
     
  14. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    No Ali didn't put up a fine performance against Berbick.
    It was more competitive than Holmes (not hard to do let's be honest), but he was still sluggish, and getting knocked about by Trevor.
    His great chin and heart kept him in the game until the last bell.
     
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  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He was still ranked 5th in the world as of 12/80. And that after his non-effort against Holmes, which we know was largely due to the medications he was taking. I am certainly not arguing that he was prime, or even near prime, but he didn't have to be either to make waves in the division.