Boxing News Top 10 Vs BoxRec Top 10 Lineal Heavyweights

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  1. DS Phil Hunter

    DS Phil Hunter Active Member Full Member

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    Boxing News Heavyweight Top 10

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Lennox Lewis
    4.George Foreman
    5.Rocky Marciano
    6.Joe Frazier
    7.Larry Holmes
    8. Jack Johnson
    9.Evander Holyfield
    10.Mike Tyson

    BoxRec Lineal Heavyweight Top 10

    1. Joe Louis (1937-1947) 25 Defenses
    2. Larry Holmes (1980-1985) 12 Defenses
    3.Tommy Burns (1906-1908) 11 Defenses
    4. Wladimir Klitschko (2009-2015) 11 Defenses
    5.Muhammad Ali (1974-1978) 10 Defenses
    6.Tyson Fury (2015-2024) 10 Defenses
    7 Cassius Clay (Ali) (1964-1970) 9 Defenses
    8. Jack Johnson (1908- 1915) 8 Defenses
    9. James J Jefferies (1899-1905) 7 Defenses
    10. Rocky Marciano (1952-1956) 6 Defenses
     
  2. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    sticking TF in any Top 10 Historical lists is absolutely crazy, how many true Great HW Champions are far better than him, Great Historical Contenders over the Decades and even some among the Fringe too... BoxRec really worked hard over the last few years to tweak their Ratings to be both as Modern & British Centric as possible... terrible lists.
     
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  3. Paul McB

    Paul McB Member Full Member

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    Isn’t the BoxRec one simply a list sorted by the number of title defenses? Ali and Clay are the same man but in separate positions in the list. But it’s clearly a ranking of the number of defenses rather than ability or achievement, unlike the Boxing News list.
     
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  4. BCS8

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    tommy burns ****ing lol
     
  5. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tommy Burns's first 2 title defenses listed here should not be considered canonical.
     
  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Where the Hecks Lennox on the lineal list?
     
  7. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    yes, it looks that way,

    but the 'number' of defences can have little regard 'if' a) the champion was himself secured into position and/or b) if opponents in said defences themselves aren't much...

    it also shines the light on how Achievement Based 'Greatest' Lists themselves can be completely inaccurate as to who 'might' be better than who over the History of Boxing,

    for me there can only be One such list for trying to measure the Best or Greatest and that is H2H, who would or 'might' beat who based on the Basic Criteria - Champion and/or Contenders, Opponents, Wins & Q'd Losses, Number of Fights, Eras and Longevity at the Top.

    that all seems a better way of being somewhat more accurate, as near impossible as that actually is too be.
     
  8. themaster458

    themaster458 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both lists are meh but the Boxing News one is a bit better. The Boxing News top three is fine but everything after that is pretty bad. Holmes is way too low and Foreman and Marciano are way too high.
     
  9. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I feel like I would be closer to the first list.
     
  10. DS Phil Hunter

    DS Phil Hunter Active Member Full Member

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    Because he had a break in the lineage by losing to Hasim Raham he had defended 6 times up until that point from 1998-2001 and regained the title defending 2 times from 2001-2004 so he placed lower. If you combined the amount of defenses he had 8 so could he have placed 8th or 9th before or ahead of Jack Johnson on the Lineal list.
     
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  11. DS Phil Hunter

    DS Phil Hunter Active Member Full Member

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    To be fair to him he defended the title 11 times in 2 years how many active champions do that? Plus he gave Jack Johson an opportunity to challenge him for the title ( but made him wait a bit to get compensated for it)
     
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  12. DS Phil Hunter

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    If you combined both of Ali's title defenses (1964-1967) and (1974-1978) he has 19 defenses overall so he could come in 2nd on the Lineal list but due to the break in continuity he places lower.
     
  13. DS Phil Hunter

    DS Phil Hunter Active Member Full Member

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    I think the top 3 are fair. However Holmes should be 4th at least ahead of Frazier and Foreman.
     
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  14. DS Phil Hunter

    DS Phil Hunter Active Member Full Member

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    Pretty much.
     
  15. DS Phil Hunter

    DS Phil Hunter Active Member Full Member

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    The top 3 I could agree with.
     
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