Greater fighter: Thomas Hearns or Wladimir Klitschko

Are you seriously suggesting you didn’t realise that the same person can have different reigns? If so, are you an adult? I will not ridicule a child.

Assuming you are saying that, and assuming you are an adult, then if you wish to push the matter further, we can create a poll, with the question - "Is reign singular or cumulative? I.e. if someone's reign is interrupted by another, but then they reign again (FFS, the answer is in the question), is that one single reign or two separate reigns?" - with options "single reign" and "separate reigns". Can do it just to prove the point or on the understanding the loser agrees never to post again, your choice. I warn you though, if you vote "single reign", then the total number of votes that option gets, will be one.

Every other poster on this forum understands that reign is singular, per, well..., per reign, not a cummulative total of a person's multiple reigns, as does every adult I know. Christ almighty.

 

I mean you can say whatever you want, but I don't see how as a boxing fan you can't see how tremendous of a fighter Wlad was. Especially in his earlier days when he was arguably one of the best offensive fighters ever. It's like the people that say Jokic isn't impressive. Even when he became a more cautious fighter it was still incredibly impressive how easy he dominated opponents. There are several threads that other forum members think that Wlad's opponents can hang with many other contenders in other boxing eras.

Let's stick to facts. His record against the Fab 4 was 1-2-1 like I pointed out. I can say that Wlad would have walloped Purrity in the rematch, but I don't.

You can't blame Wlad for not fighting any ATG if there were none around.

You think Cuevas, Miller, Shuler and Andries are special? They are the equivalent of Leapai, Mormeck, Austin and Pianeta. Maybe even less so.

Ah, Grant (who was 41 at the time he fought Hearns). Wlad was fighting AJ at 41. Who do you think is the more difficult opponent? Wlad also made a better account of himself while out of the ring for a year and a half.

 

What are we doing here? How about this - I should have wrote "cumulative reign". Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

Definitely Hearns , how many less than average welterweights do you see sparking him out?

 

A couple things: 1) Hearns wasn't at welterweight his entire career 2) It's easier to get knocked out at HW than any other division.

 

Hearns can hang with the best at 147/154 and destroy some of the best at both, he’s comfortably ahead of Wladdy

 

I do see positives in Wladimir.

I rate him as a very good H2H fighter actually better than his brother.

I rate Wladimir as a top 10 Heavyweight of all time.

The amount of southpaws and undefeated fighters he beat is also impressive.

But pretty much most Heavyweights in general don't have the resume to compete with the smaller ATG fighters.

Unless your name is Ali who was in a ridciously strong era who fought everybody i mean Ali beat 30+ ranked fighters.

But pretty much most other Heavyweights do not have that type of resume.

There was a thread here recently asking who rates higher Holmes or ODLH.

Now Holmes is one of my favourite fighters of all time and i don't care much for ODLH even though i respect him as a fighter.

But i still rated ODLH above Holmes clearly simply because Holmes doesn't have the type of resume to compete with the smaller great fighters and the same applies to Wladimir.

Yeah but that's you being intellectually dishonest and you know it.

You know full well the draw against Leonard was a robbery which pretty much everyone agrees with and even Leonard admitted himself Hearns won the fight.

So trying to paint a picture that Hearns was 1-2-1 in a way to discredit him whilst ignoring the fact the draw was a robbery is not being totally honest about that statistic.

Wladimir beating Purrity in a rematch is just a fantasy scenario so i don't understand the comparison.

But Hearns getting robbed against Leonard in their dubious draw is a fact.

You also can't blame Hearns for competing against ATG's in which he acquitted himself very well yet you're using it to discredit him which is strange.

Benitez could also be considered a part of that group considering he fought 3 out of the 4 of the Fab 4 and Hearns holds a win over him who would also be considered a great.

You must be trolling or you are not very clued up on the likes of Cuevas.

Cuevas was a Welterweight world champion who won 12 world title fights.

Leapai, Austin, Pianeta, were fringe contenders who were never rated in the top 10.

So comparing those names to the likes of Cuevas is utterly baffling.

I can't believe this is even a discussion.

Hearns at 41 years old fighting 4 weightclasses above his best weight. Twisted his ankle and was forced to retire in the fight what part of that do you not understand ?

 

I think Wlad. I have him at four all time and Louis, Ali, and Holmes are the only guys who have a had a similar number of wins in title fights at heavyweight.

As far as weight jumping modern era guys go, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Crawford, Oscar, Leonard, Duran, Roy, Inoue, Donaire, Marquez, Toney, Canelo, and Whitaker have all had similar or superior careers to Hearns.

 

weh kinda 10 bomboclaat people dat go tick off wladimir instead a hearns, dem must deh pon some strong ganja or lose dem blasted mind, cah dat nuh mek no sense at all, star

 

In all seriousness, are there people genuinely picking Didier Grogba over Lionel Messi?

 

You could have said "if we include holders of one or more of the multitude of world title straps as qualifying as a "reign", then Wlad has the 2nd longest reign in history behind Joe Louis, who was the champion for his entire reign".

As I've said, Wlad's my #7 ATG HW. I've spent considerably more time arguing for him, than against him, on this forum. I'm just a stickler for the veracity of arguments that are presented as facts.

 

No one cares about your soccer references.

 

Oh dear god...Hearns and close thread.

 

Shut up.

 

Never seen a man get salty because Vince Spadea lost to Novak Djokovic!