Inoue out of #1 p4p discussions after the Junto fight

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  1. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even if Picasso was unknown to all but the hardcore, he was still an undefeated top 10 guy at the weight. Just before that, Inoue had defeated MJ who was probably about as relevant as Dubois was. Usyk's got one single win over a guy he had already defeated. Inoue has had five fights since the beginning of 2025 and four of them have been against contenders or former champions. Quantity over quality...and in this case, the quality for Inoue is better, too.
     
  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I was actually going to say Beterbiev instead of Super Boots

    Inoue turned pro at 19

    Usyk at almost 27


    When Usyk was 19 he was campaigning at 165 with same day weigh ins

    There's no footage of any of his fights from back then but here's a video of him at 17

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    And one a month before his 22nd birthday

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    Thing is Inoue has generally been fighting guys his size even at 118-122 or roughly his size or a few pounds bigger


    'Naoya Inoue and opponent rehydration

    All fights at 122lbs

    Inoue 132.5lbs(+10.5) - Fulton 134.7lbs(+12.7)

    Inoue 135.4lbs(+13.4) - Tapales 140.0lbs(+18.0)

    Inoue 136.9lbs(+14.9) - Nery 134.5lbs(+12.5)

    Inoue 138.2lbs(+16.2) Doheny 145.7lbs(+23.7)

    Inoue 138.7lbs(+16.7) - Kim 136.9lbs(+14.9)


    PS: According to Top Rank, Inoue 135lbs, Kim 147lbs, but according to the Japanese article, Inoue was the heaviest ever at 62.9kg (138.7lbs).

    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/e5b3ed7a8245ff3f92b8517423a6b6b8c9f8c8a0

    Further note: I think 62.9kg (138.7lbs) is the exact figure since Inoue himself mentioned his weight on the day of the match.

    This article

    https://www.sanspo.com/article/20250125-LIOOA6U2LFLZ7HJBP3QCU2D5QY/?outputType=theme_fight

    gives Kim's weight as 62.1kg (136.9lbs); Top Rank reports Inoue 135lbs and Kim 147lbs, which is very different, but the Japanese article is probably more correct. Inoue himself talks about his weight, and another article also says Inoue 62.9kg, Kim 62.1kg.

    https://number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/864561?page=2

    Kim does not appear to be 12lbs heavier than Inoue in terms of his physical appearance during the match. And the two reporters who wrote the articles are credible people who have covered Inoue for many years.
    Therefore, the numbers in the table above have been corrected.'

    I know he was giving away a huge amount of weight vs McDonnell

    Inoue 131 - McDonnell 143-144

    There's plenty of examples of smaller fighters who've come up in weight and becoming multi-weight champions too, especially when you turn pro young or in your teens. Usyk turns pro the same age as Inoue did he's doing so at MW, so from 160 to HW facing opponents who weighed from 233-280 up at HW

    Most of those examples of small HWs beating much bigger ones were massive punching smaller HWs like Louis, Dempsey, Haye and those giants back in Louis' day and Dempsey's day were unathletic Frankenstein's monsters who didn't even know how to use their range and Louis and Dempsey were dropped by some of those big cumbersome giants they fought. Holyfield was dropped and stopped by one of the giants he fought

    And all those guys were in their primes when they were campaigning at HW and facing giants. Usyk has been past or well past his for years, is not a massive puncher, has not been dropped or stopped, or dropped by any of the giants he's fought, giants who are athletic, coordinated, and fast for their size and they know how to use their size and range (the taller longer ones), and Usyk has been beating them up in their backyards and on the road when already past his prime or well past it

    I've no problem with anyone having Inoue P4P#1 after this win but let's see him in with giants who are way bigger than him, murderous punching giants way bigger than him, in their backyards or on the road time and time again when he's Usyk's age or say at like 36 y/o when his reaction times and reflexes have slowed a lot
     
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  3. Serge

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  4. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I mean Ali was competing at light heavyweight at the Olympics. I don’t think it changes him being a natural 215 lb man when he filled out. Usyk is naturally 210-215 lbs. he may have been a skinny teen but if you look at his adult built, he was never a super middle or light heavy
     
  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I mean Usyk campaigning down at 165 at 19 y/o ie. the same age as Inoue was when he turned pro

    Usyk turns pro at 19 he does so at MW not CW
     
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  6. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    i respect where you are coming from but I don’t think 19 year olds are reflective of their natural weights

    a lot of guys don’t fill out and reach their natural weight until they are 23-25. Inoue is naturally in the 120-125 lb range and Usyk is naturally around 210.

    I have zero issue with Usyk as the 1 P4p guy. He has done an excellent job.
     
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    But the same would apply to Inoue at 19 too if so

    My point is people will say Inoue came all up from the weight he turned pro at through all those divisions and that Usyk has only come up one division but that's very disingenuous when one turned pro as a teenager and the other at almost 27 y/o and when there are weight divisions every 3,4 or 5lbs for little fighters and only 1 above CW and no weight limit at HW.

    Bridgerweight isn't considered a serious division
     
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  8. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Except Usyk didn't turn pro at 19, so it's not really relevant speculating on something he never did.

    Inoue has more milage on the clock as a pro and continues to fight better opposition. We can't exactly say the same for Usyk at the moment.

    FWIW I think PFP is rubbish, because whoever is the big dog at heavyweight ragdolls the rest of them.
     
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  9. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Active (not historical) P4P lists are very much a case of 'What have you done for me lately?'

    Inoue's recent output has left Usyk in the dust.

    The Transnational Boxing Rankings had Inoue #1 before Nakatani...
     
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  10. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk would have been favored over top heavyweights when he was cruiserweight champ so that is incorrect
     
  11. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The exception rather than the rule.
     
  12. kirk

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    nice breakdown.
     
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  13. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Usyks one of my favorite active fighters and Ive been advocating his number one position for awhile now, but I think this win does put Inoue in at number one now. Having a dominant win over a fellow p4p fighter, who is younger and bigger, takes the lead when the race is as tight as the one between Inoue and Usyk, and Usyk takes his foot off the pedal a bit (understandably so, imo).

    Inoue p4p #1 now, imo.
     
  14. kirk

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    Good points.
     
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  15. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Yeah I agree with that. This win over Nakatani solidifies his Number 1 P4P status IMO.
     
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