Why is Joey 11 rounds Parker so overrated?

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I often hear that this guy is Joshua's best win but I don't see it at all, I don't think he's even top 3:

    Wlad: 41 yes, but he certainly gave Joshua his hardest fight outside of Ruiz/Usyk/Dubois, and he is clearly Joshua's most accomplished victim.

    Povetkin: 39, but he did better against all of his other Parker mutual opponents (Takam, Hughie, Whyte), beating two of them after Joshua had KO'd him. Plus Parker lost to Whyte, whereas Povetkin was on the cusp of 41 and still killed him with one punch.

    Whyte: he beat Parker and did better against a less worn Chisora.

    Parker survived 12 with Joshua but so did 284 lbs rematch Ruiz and factory worker Franklin. They all showed less ambition than Joshua's three best victims, and hurt him less.

    Parker went on to get KO'd by Joyce and Wardley, so his durability and defence was overrated. And besides a morbidly obese, one day notice, jet lagged Bakole, he never stopped anyone worth a nickel, so he lacks any proven KO threat above Simon Kean and past it Dimitrenko level (who was stopped in his prime on a Pulev jab).

    What am I missing here?
     
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  2. DoubleG95Fanatic

    DoubleG95Fanatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Him getting stopped by Joyce and Wardley is irrelevant though, the time the fight/win comes around is paramount. Parker was a world champion going into that fight and beat some good names like Takam, Dimitrenko and Ruiz.

    Hardest fight and best win are 2 different things, although Parker never dropped him....he still gave AJ a tough night.

    It's hardly a poor shout if some say he's AJ's best win. Wlad is the biggest name if you're just running through the list of names but for me it's nip and tuck between Povetkin and Parker.
     
  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I don't think Parker was faded when he lost to Joyce and Wardley. If anything, he was on his best career form around that time, beating Chisora 2, Zhang, blasting out Bakole. Joshua arguably got the easier version.

    Parker scraped by Takam, Ruiz and Hughie, only got a belt because it was vacant (like Chuckles Martin) and on his home turf, lost it to Joshua without any real resistance and lost to Whyte one fight later.

    How did Parker give Joshua a "tough night"? I dont recall it being much tougher than Franklin. Both came to survive, not to stop Joshua. Neither were going to get a decision unless they schooled Joshua, which they obviously lacked the ability to do.

    I don't see a strong case for top 3, let alone above Povetkin and Wlad.
     
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  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    If Parker is better than Whyte despite losing to him, Wilder is better than Parker despite losing to him. At least Wilder was aging and had been KO'd twice by that point. What is Parker's excuse?
     
  5. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think it is because he was undefeated at the time and therefore people who don’t actually watch people fight but read the record massively overrate the win.

    I’m with you on this. Decent win but nothing special and not a particularly taxing fight for either fighter.
     
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  6. Indiantakeaway9

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    Joe Parker lost to Joshua Whyte Joyce Wardley and you can actually argue he lost the first Chisora fight as 6-6 piece with a KD would have been fair enough.

    So basically he's almost like the diametrical opposite of Usyk...which is obviously not a good thing.
     
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  7. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Typically when you fight more top fighters you'll have more losses. Not many other heavyweights can say they've fought Ruiz, Chisora, Whyte, AJ, Wardley, Joyce, Zhang and Wilder.

    Also don't get this whole "Joey 11" stuff. Is it AJ 5, Wilder 5 etc?
     
  8. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You forgot to mention that Povetkin got KO’d against Whyte in the rematch. You also forgot to mention that Parker was winning the fight against Wardley before the ref decided to stop the fight immaturely while Parker was still on his feet. Parker also beat a fit and motivated Ruiz.

    Parker is a fighters fighter, don’t back down from anyone, always fights hard and never give excuses. Parker deserves credit for that.
     
  9. Perkin Warbeck

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    Joseph Parker, unlike several other heavyweights like Wilder and Fury, never avoided anybody.

    He very likely would have beaten Wardley if not for the long layoff thanks to the promoter Fish Eyes, and of course there was the dodgy British stoppage.
     
  10. Rollin

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    He did accumulate losses, but he did face a lot of top opposition, and many of the losses has '*' bar perhaps the Joyce loss.

    Wardley's stoppage was very British, cocaine aside, and Whyte benefitted from a headbutt knockdown and was on the verge of being stopped late in the fight for what it's worth.

    Joyce fight launched immense Joe hype train. He was the Ring top five fighter for a while afterwards, being on that Dubois, Takam, Parker streak and looking good.
     
  11. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    The fact that Povetkin beat Whyte on the cusp of 41, looking as shot as he did, was extraordinary. You'll almost never see a fighter at that level as shot as Povetkin was in the Whyte rematch. Parker lost to Whyte in his prime, which suggests a clear ability gap between Parker and a prime Povetkin. The Takam fights provide a prime for prime comparison.

    Parker got a hometown New Zealand decision against Ruiz in a fight that could have gone either way or been a draw. Wardley won fair and square.

    Parker has made loads of excuses, every loss there has been an excuse. I don't hold it against him though, most fighters are delusional.
     
  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Whatever asterisks people may want to add, Parker found a way to lose all of those fights. And his record could easily look worse: he was gifted the first Chisora fight. Ruiz deserved a draw. Even a fat old Zhang could have scraped one.
     
  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He lost to Wardley fair and square, he has always been overrated. His level is losing to Joshua, Whyte and Joyce, and needing a gift against Chisora 1.

    After losing to Whyte he fought no one for years. I recall him ducking Hrgovic. He got Wilder, Bakole and to a lesser extent Zhang at the perfect time. I don't get the hero worship.
     
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  14. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It seems Parker’s fans can explain away every single defeat he has had. To them, Parker never lost because he wasn’t good enough; he only lost because of outside factors he couldn’t control. So in their minds, Parker is practically still undefeated, lol.
     
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  15. Dagnaldinho

    Dagnaldinho Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No Parker slander around here. The guy fights anyone, whether you rate him or not, that needs to be respected in the sport cause its very hard to come by these days.
     
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