Is Tyson Fury really an underachiever ?

damn he shut your mouth @Mandela2039

 

I think he's done pretty well, he's had his share of personal problems, but I think overall he's had a lasting legacy that nearly any boxer would love to have had.

 

And to be fair, another ref might have counted more quickly against Wilder. And he might have gotten a point deduction against Cunningham and not continued with the pulling down of his arm that allowed the stoppage. I don't know that Cunningham could have won, but it might have continued on.

However, things shook out as they did, and if he beats Joshua, even at this late date, no one will be able to deny him his spot in the pantheon.

We shall see.

 

I think he is an overachiever. If he would have rematched Wlad that might have been the end of him. He probably would have come back, but I don't think he would be consistently fighting at the championship level.

 

Yep, he was placed into it all in the 1st place, the Poster Boy for Boxing Fraud and Ownership Corruption.

the Poorest Chumpion in history.

 

No man born out of a women, that loses to an MMA Fighter with all of his attributes on zero barring power, who punches himself and gets dropped by steven stevie stevenson cunningham should've been able to beat Wladimir Klitschko and give Oleksandr Usyk a marginally competitive bout.

Granted, he (Clinch) was old, but still!

 

Hes a lineal champ with 10 lineal defenses and at minimum a top 2 6'7+ HW ever. But half of those 10 defenses were against very questionable opponents and Fury threw away 3 prime years. Then another 18 months after the Usyk fight.

Putting that together Fury should have about 5 more fights and about 7 or 8 more against quality opponents. Would have liked to see him fight a David Haye before he won the belt. Whether he would have beaten those guys is another conversation.

Another point is Fury blew the 1st Usyk fight. Fury also could have lost to Ngannou or been counted out against Wilder so that goes both ways for sure. But there was room for his reign to continue.

Thats as a fighter in the Ring. Furys antics ruined the careers of a whole generation of HW boxers and Fury was awful for the sport. Hes like a taller reincarnation of John L Sullivan.

 

I've been saying for a while that Fury's resume will age terribly. In retrospect it will not look anywhere near as impressive compared to the current hype imo.

Fury also has legitimate stylistic deficiencies that would be exploited ruthlessly by any great heavyweight h2h.

One of the most glaring ones is his tendency to throw a sloppy 1-2 then back off in a straight line, towards the ropes, with his hands down. He does it in every single bout. It leaves him massively open to left hands, which is exactly what Usyk caught him with in that 9th round (rewatch the bout and you'll see him setting it up since round 5). It's a tendency that has already been majorly exploited to the effect that he has been majorly rocked and floored over and over again. Even Ngannou was able to exploit it and drop him FFS. Rewatch that knockdown and see. There's no 'luck' to it, nor was it due to Fury's fitness - it was due to a legitimate stylistic deficiency that I've just outlined. Literally all he has going for him is his power of recovery and his physical attributes, which isn't enough on its own to beat top class fighters unless he has the stylistic advantage (e.g. Klitschko 1).

Anyone that thinks Fury is a 'great technical boxer' doesn't know what the **** they're watching and should be forced to lurk for 10 years

 

He's actually been setting this up since round 1. Then Fury adjusted, then Usyk made adjustments to his adjustments and started to set it up again.

 

I mean Fury isn't a bad technician compared to the majority of heavyweights. He also has great relative speed and coordination compared to his size, which is what most of his 'technical ability' actually is. I just don't think he's that good of a technician in an overall sense. I personally think it shows the absolute dire state of Fury's heavyweight 'era' (and Fury's cherry picking) that it took Usyk to exploit his glaring flaws to major effect.

 

Completely agree on the technical aspect. It was jarring that some seemed to think he was some 270 lbs Floyd Mayweather when he had very obvious flaws. I think he was aware of this and knew Usyk with his speed and skill would be well placed to exploit it and therefore much preferred limited fighters such as Chisora and Wilder.

By luck or choice he had managed to avoid the sharper punchers of the division such as Povetkin and AJ and instead had a total of six fights against the two sloppiest until he no longer could duck Usyk. And then his first fight back, he returned to the big punching but limited variety.

In that sense he can be seen as an overachiever having been seen as the nr 1 for so many years before Usyk. It is frustrating that we didn't get to see him against more varied opp.

 

Personally. I tuned in to his fight against Wlad since I thought he just might be the guy to take his crown. The speed and agility for a guy that big was immediately eye catching and is still actually despite him looking like a bald Obelix and pushing 40.

 

I had Wlad 60% fav which was still horribly wrong but I wasn't fully confident at all. I just had this feeling Fury would be his toughest opponent in years he just had something about him combined with his size and Wlad's age.

I was also a teenager as well.