Deontay Wilder: top 10 wins

Thompson was 42, and Ortiz got a PEDs bust. Arguable best win completely negated.

 

are there 10? i don't think there are 10 one could call "top", but it's not hard to be ignorant with this...

 

No, he couldn't. Ortiz wasn't rated by the IBF when AJ fought Breazeale. I already explained the situation with Molina and Takam. Adding to it, Ortiz already popped for PEDs when AJ chose Takam as a late replacement for Pulev. Ortiz wasn't legible for that fight anyway tho.

Ortiz ducked Joshua cause he literally rejected the best deal of his life to fight him, which his management later said was a bad decision.

Nothing Matchroom about that, just straight facts.

 

You have that a little mixed up. After Miller popped dirty, Matchroom offered Ortiz's manager $5 million for a Joshua fight. Miller was supposed to get $7.5 million.

Ortiz's manager (according to the manager, himself) immediately countered with $10 million (mor than Miller was getting). Ortiz's manager said a day or two later, he thought they were "negotiating."

But Hearn was just looking for a replacement.

So, Hearn called Andy Ruiz's manager.

Ortiz found out, because they all knew each other, and called his manager and asked what was going on and to take the first offer. Ortiz wanted the fight. The money was fine.

Ortiz's manager then called Hearn back and said the first offer was fine. But Hearn had moved on. He was trying to quickly save the NY promotion. He didn't want to haggle with anyone.

So, Ortiz's manager went public and said he had screwed up and that they would take the first offer ... hoping to use social media to get Hearn's attention and save himself from the biggest screwup of his career.

But then Andy Ruiz's team accepted the offer.

Ortiz's manager publicly apologized to Hearn and Ortiz and said he was mistaken and thought they were going to come together in the middle. But Hearn wasn't negotiating.

Hearn didn't lowball Ortiz. Ortiz didn't turn down the fight. Ortiz's manager just thought he was in a negotiation, and HE WASN'T. It was a straight up offer. And, when he didn't immediately accept, Hearn had other fighters on his list and just moved on.

 

Thanks for adding the context. Do you, by any chance, have a source with a quote where Ortiz's manager apologized to Hearn as I frankly didn't see it?

 

It s hard to find10 good wins on Wilder s record let alone rank them.

 

Regardless his manager works for him so you'd imagine he'd have been aware

He should have made the decision to fight instead of messing around

 

Allow me to introduce you to @Dubblechin

 

Yeah, they messed up big time.

 

Dribblechin

 

So you're changing your narrative. Now you're saying AJ's camp should be desperate and get out of their way to fight Ortiz like he was some kind of a monster, lol. You're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

Ortiz joined Matchroom and Matchroom put him into position to be the WBA mandatory. He would get the AJ fight, but got caught on PEDs. It was his fault the fight didn't happen. Then, in 2019, his management messed up when the fight was on the table. Again - not AJ's fault.

Not to mention the narrative of AJ being scared of Ortiz falls flat, looking at the fact that he fought better boxers than Ortiz doing that stretch in Klitschko, Parker and Povetkin. And if AJ beat Ortiz, you would say he was an another old guy who Joshua beat.

 

That didn't happen.