Inoue out of #1 p4p discussions after the Junto fight

But Inoue has the quality to go along with the quantity.

So when a fighter has a big advantage in world title wins and has plenty of quality to go with it.

Then the argument I have made is a valid one.

So the Wilder argument is not comparable in this discussion nor is it relevant.

Also P4P ratings come down to what you have done recently aswell.

Inoue has been very active fighting 4 times in the past year and just beat a top 10 P4P fighter.

Usyk has had 1 fight in the past year and his last win was against a fighter he'd already beaten without losing a round.

And now he's fighting a kickboxer.

So for me Inoue is the clear P4P number 1 atm.

 

The little guys can't make it in team sports, so are limited to weight class sports like boxing.

 

Just so I get this right....

Defending against Breazeale, Molina, Duhaupas, Arreola, Stiverne etc, in your book, is more impressive than Fury (x2), Joshua (x2), Dubois )(x2) and Chisora?

Wild take.

Wilder held the WBC belt for 5 years and has ZERO wins over a top 10 HW of his era. That's seriously impressive to be allowed to avoid so many dangerous opponents for so long.

 

I make a statement and you invent an entire string of nonsense that I didn’t imply.

Usyk has the best six fight run in heavyweight history.

 

How can Usyk maintain that P4P number 1 spot then?

Because there's literally ZERO better Heavyweights on the planet than the Tyson Fury he has just defeated twice.

Until a legitimate contender comes along which either beats Usyk or Usyk avoids, then he simply cannot lost that spot. Like I said before, Inoue and other smaller fighters are disadvantaged by the fact that there is ALWAYS a bigger challenge out there by going up in weight. However, the advantage they have over Heavyweights in this regard, is that the higher you climb in weight, the more likely it is you can lose to a lesser skilled fighter.

A good big guy beats a good little guy and P4P rankings need to take this into account. The size difference between Usyk and Fury is several weight divisions higher than what Inoue is comparatively defeating by the way, that needs to be accounted for.

 

But we were clearly referencing Wilder's 5 year reign and consecutive defences vs Usyk's HW run....And you were defending Wilder's defences, implying it was superior.

Here's your direct quote:

Having many consecutive defenses is often more difficult than one or two wins over a superior opponent.

I'm sorry, but Wilder's run is not more impressive than Usyk's. Like I said, he's never defeated a top 10 HW of his own era.

 

By not fighting a kickboxer for a start and fighting another top contender.

Wardley was his mandatory which he turned down. That would've been an interesting fight that people would've liked to of seen.

There's Kabayel another top contender that alot of fans would like him to fight.

But Inoue has also been alot more active he's fought 4 times in the past year.

And my biggest gripe with Usyk has always been he's just not active enough.

Don't get me wrong Usyk has done very well for a fighter in the higher weightclasses to even become P4P number 1.

That shows in itself he has a very good resume and achievements.

But Usyk is getting older now and I have feeling he's looking to cash out now.

Nothing wrong in that but by the same token I think Inoue deserves to be P4P number 1 now.

And Ring Magazine also agree as they've updated their rankings and now Inoue is officially P4P number 1.

 

You said Usyk’s wins over Fury were better than Wilder’s title wins combined (I guess excluding the draw with Fury). I made a statement that says consecutive title defenses are difficult and get underrated compared to big singular wins.

 

because you said so? yano. not havin' it

 

I'll tell you how you don't maintain that P4P number 1 spot: By vacating your belt to defend your championship against a kickboxer.

If he beats Kabayel and Wardley within the next 12 months, he'll reclaim his spot. For now, he's not doing what a champion is supposed to do. Inoue is.

 

First I think inoue has earned the top spot by quality and quantity of recent wins compared to usyk who seldomly fights.
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But also I think that p4p is more than anything a measure of respect and admiration by boxing fans.

And who of those p4p candidates deserves the respect more right now than inoue?
- Usyk gives us a fight a year if we are lucky.
- Bivol the same right now.
- Crawford is gone entirely since his cashout fight against old canelo.

There are few fighters that regularly give us amazing matchups and many don't give them the respect they deserve over their shiny self-projection favorites. (" What do i care about a small japanese man")

I want more fighters like usyk was, lomachenko was and inoue still is. I hope benavidez goes on to challenge himself and fight against beterbiev and bivol. Those are the careers I actually want to see.

And so I don't want to see Usyk on the top spot despite being out for a long time, then contemplating to fight Wilder just to go for a kickboxer in the end.

Even the dubois fight was a questionable matchup! He avoided parker and still got ahead of kabayel and parker... And usyk had already fought him with no trouble at all! Dubois brought more money, obviously, but what do I care as a fan who thinks which fighter deserves respect and p4p #1?

If they care at all about hardcore fans' opinions they should not be able to rest on their laurels but see that they still have to challenge themselves. If they give us nothing (and the kickboxer fight is worse than nothing) they should not stay on p4p #1, the highest spot of respect given by fans.

 

Nakatani has beaten Masamichi Yabuki, Ryosuke Nishida, Seigo Yuri Akui, Alexandro Santiago, Chihuas Rodriguez Jr., Angel Acosta, and Milan Melindo, all of whom either were or went on to become world champions. He unified the titles at 118 against the best guy at the weight who wasn't himself in dominant fashion against Nishida. He beat a slew of world-ranked contenders in addition to his wins over world champions, and his extraordinary dominance and obvious ability are why he was and remains P4P ranked.

 

It was definitely a closer fight than people think. I was at the fight, and it felt like it was even going into the 10th. When I watched it back, I think Inoue did enough to win, but 117-111 to Inoue was too wide. Nakatani definitely rose to the occasion between the 7th and the 9th, but as soon as Inoue broke his orbital bone with an uppercut (combined with the cut from the accidental headbutt), he took the fight away from him.

I still think Junto would be as reserved in a rematch because he knows Inoue has the power to smash his orbital bone, but I would also love to see a rematch, definitely over the Bam fight anyway, and I wouldn't discount Nakatani but I'd still pick Inoue to beat him again, I don't think Nakatani's power troubled him at all, whereas Junto was reeling in the championship rounds. Two insanely high-level operators, though.