Ezzard Charles HW Resume - wins against The Ring's Top 10

Yes. If someone ranks on fantasy h2h, they of course have every right to do so. But to keep on about how Charles and his opp wouldn't stand a chance in this century to someone who has clearly stated that he ranks on what he did in his own time....

Just weird.

 

Well, we can and should challenge the quality of Charles' opposition contextually but, even then, I would suggest that the beating of both Louis and Walcott are of notable value. I'd also suggest that wins against Elmer Ray, Jimmy Bivins, Joey Maxim, and Rex Layne carry a fair bit of weight, and even his 15-round decision loss to Marciano is not without significance in terms of quality performances.

It is a tad more difficult to extract the same kind of significance from Wlad's resume, as I see it.

 

I agree on Ali and Louis probably being 1 and 2. After that I really struggle to come up with any type of extended list let alone in order but my gut feeling leans to Holmes next.

If only Wlad had got Vitali on his resume I would possibly put him there instead but obviously that wasn't gonna be realistic for obvious reasons.

 

Vitali can't possibly be that big a scalp. I've barely ever seen him in a top 15 and he's nowhere near a top 10.

 

I've gone back and forth who should be rated higher in regards to Lewis/Holmes and i have Holmes slightly ahead of Lewis overall.

Holmes has 20 world title wins compared to 15 for Lewis.

Holmes had 17 wins overall against top 10 ranked opposition.

Lewis had 15 wins overall against top 10 ranked opposition.

There's not alot to split them but there is 1 big deciding factor IMO.

Holmes never lost in his prime where as Lewis in his prime suffered two 1 punch stoppage losses to B class Heavyweights.

Holmes had his Rahman/McCall moments vs Shavers/Snipes and he passed the test where as Lewis didn't.

And that for me is quite a big thing which is why i give the edge to Holmes.

Even though Lewis fought slightly better opposition overall.

 

Does he really ? who did i miss out on ? these are the names i have.

Norton
Shavers x2
Evangelista
Ocasio
Weaver
Zanon
Berbick
L.Spinks
Snipes
Cooney
Cobb
Witherspoon
Bonecrusher
Bey
Williams
Mercer

Was Ali ranked in the top 10 after a 2 year lay off ? i can't think of any other names ?

 

Oh I didn't include Leroy Jones ? I did misplace that name my mistake.

Was Scott LeDoux ranked ? I didn't know.

Marvin Frazier aswell ? That does surprise me.

I'm pretty sure Carl Williams might of sneaked in the top 10 are you sure on that ?

 

In my opinion, the name you mention with the highest value to Wlad's historical status is Byrd. Chagaev and Povetkin come next, and the Povetkin win has an asterisk against it (in an unseemly shade of red).

The problem with the other names you bring up is that they have little to nothing in their ledgers to justify an opinion that they were better than the fighters I mentioned. Certainly not in a clean-sweep sense.