Update on boxrec has Marciano’s tallest opponent at 6”5

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Gazelle Punch, Apr 29, 2026.


  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    I will make another observation.

    Despite his high ranking, Cockell is the outlier among Marciano's title challengers.

    Walcott, LaStraza, Charles .and Moore, were all picked by Marciano's team, because they had strong credentials as challengers.

    They were all #1 contenders, and in some cases there were unfinished business angles.

    Cockell was basically picked to be a challenger who was not particularly dangerous.

    Marciano's nose had been busted up in the second Charles fight, and they wanted a tune up.

    It was lucky for them that the #2 contender was tailor made for their needs, and if he had not been, they would have settled for say the #7 contender.
     
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  2. mcvey

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    Did anyone give Cockell ,the 5/1 outsider, even a ghost of a chance?
    No!

    Even so the Marciano team put the fight in a 16foot ring. Marciano was down right dirty in that fight,but not warned once ,and Cockell was on his feet when the fight was stopped.
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Emmanuel Steward disagrees with you.But WTF would he know?
    "Marciano had poor balance"
     
  4. mcvey

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    And weren't Spencer and Jones better than Cockell too?
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I don’t really know enough about Spencer to say, but that isn’t really the point. The point is if you got Tate instead of Foreman you’ve landed yourself a fight that’s more winnable while still fighting someone era-elite. The bottom line is if you are fighting top two guys that’s good work, if you occasionally land a weaker one that’s par for the course. Every top man you fight can’t be a top top man.
     
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  6. mcvey

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    I take your point. Mine is Cockell did not belong anywhere near the top of the rankings, and neither did Lastarza.How many top ten fighters did either /both of them beat?
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    Your point being?
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    My point is that a man Cockell's physical limitations and abilities sniffing a ranking in the heavyweight class means your era is desperately wanting.
     
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  9. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Right about Cockell completely wrong about Lastarza. He was a damn skilled fighter. Beat Layne, Bucceroni, Brion. Three good wins against ranked fighters is better than most. He was a shot fighter and looked completely different against Cockell as he was ruined and probably didn’t care about boxing. He survived longer against Marciano than any man for that he should get credit alone. He was an excellent boxer.
     
  10. mcvey

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    It was a gimmee defence that should have gone to Valdes,or another more deserving opponent.
     
  11. mcvey

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    Show me where Bucceroni who also beat Lastarza,and Brion were ranked when Lastarza beat them?
    Lastarza survived 2 rounds more than Cockell.
    Lastarza was a protected fighter who was kept well away from the," iron" of the division.
    Among those who were ranked when he was ,were
    Agramonte
    Bivins
    Baksi
    Walcott
    Charles
    Valentino
    Henry
    Louis
    Baker
    Neuhaus
    Walls
    Oma
    Thompson
    Valdes
    Savold
    Maxim
    Baker
    Gardner
    Sys
    Satterfield
    Wallace
    Woodcock
    Q .How many of them did he fight?
    A. None!
    In a Ring interview Lastarza said,his manager Jimmy D'Angelo's strategy was to keep him away from the dangerous contenders and parlay his close fight with Marciano,years earlier into a lucrative title fight,and that's just what they did!
     
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  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I figured boxrec had remeasured Jersey Joe and bumped him up to 6-5.
     
  13. mcvey

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  14. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was so protected he fought 25-0 Marciano who just put a man in a coma. Argument is weak. He was well managed but had a good pedigree and was a good boxer. Period. Bucceroni was a good fighter and a solid win as was Layne. You can complain and nitpick all you want but he had good wins and showings in his losses. Noticed you left out Layne and Brion on your list. Laynes record speaks for itself
     
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  15. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hi Seamus.
    Any more wanting than when Louis was champ, and inside the the top ten were such luminaries as, Lou Brooks, Tony Musto, Harry bobo, and the never to be forgotten Roscoe Toles, check it out, c,mon every decade, with every champ has the same, as to certain posters saying would be champs were fed on pasties on the way up, shut the front door, well I never, lets keep it real please.
    stay safe buddy, chat soon.
    Mike.
     
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