Dubois is not a champion he's still a contender

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  1. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Usyk dropped the belt, sure. But Dubios did beat a guy Usyk deliberately avoided to win it.

    Usyk lost the right to be called champion of those belts the moment he dropped them. He's still the best in the division for now, but how long are people going to continue giving him a pass when he's not fighting the fights he needs to take?
     
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    Sandman_ The Phoenix flew & the Big Fish knew Full Member

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    It ain't rocket science. LINEAL CHAMPS ONLY! Go Lineal or go home.

    BEWARE of cheap imitiations.
     
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  3. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Considering Usyk avoided both Parker and Wardley first, wouldn't that by extension make Dubios the "real champion"? Kabayel hasn't really done anything of note since beating Zhang and appears to just be sitting on a title shot.
     
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  4. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Was Paul Butler a real champion?

    Was Julius Indongo a real champ?

    Answer.
     
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  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you want to debate about something entirely different in regards to Crawford & Inoue go make a thread about it.

    You've offered nothing of substance to this actual thread instead of making baseless accusations about me apparently discrediting Usyk.

    When in fact if anything the thread is a compliment to Usyk.
     
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  6. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, he's a champion. Usyk is the best fighter in the division though until further notice.
     
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  7. TNSNO1878

    TNSNO1878 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Would you say Nakatani is not a champion using the same metric? Usyk is obviously the King, but I'd also argue that champions don't defend their belt against kickboxers who have records of 1-0, either.
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I just think you need context.

    Calling Dubois for example a 2 time Heavyweight champion for fighting for vacant belts from the fighter who destroyed him twice.

    Common sense tells you that in reality right now Usyk is the only real legit champion at Heavyweight in my eyes.

    I think people are misunderstanding the point of this thread.

    This isn't to discredit Usyk or Dubois.

    Usyk deserves credit for beating a dangerous puncher in Dubois easily.

    And Dubois deserves credit for rebounding from his losses.

    But I find it hard to legitimise Dubois's claim of being a legit belt holder is my point.
     
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  9. NoChin

    NoChin Sir Tim Tszyu - Knighted! Full Member

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    I agree. Just another paper champion.
     
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  10. jeevacation

    jeevacation My fav active fighter is Ebonie Cotton. banned Full Member

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    When did Usyk lose his championship?
     
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  12. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He vacated it.
     
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  13. jeevacation

    jeevacation My fav active fighter is Ebonie Cotton. banned Full Member

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    The championship?
    Nope.
    He vacaed a paper title perhaps.
     
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  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes. While I don't like the Verhoeven defence, he did defend against the nr 1 contender, Dubois, less than a year ago. And conclusively beat him. We're not talking Foreman's second reign of years of defences against unworthy challengers and not rematching after controversial decisions.
     
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  15. jeevacation

    jeevacation My fav active fighter is Ebonie Cotton. banned Full Member

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    Or Dempsey taking 3 years between defenses
    Or other several examples.
     
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