Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk vs. Ricardo Verhoeven & Frank Sanchez vs. Richard Torrez Jr. RBR.

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  1. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    the problem is that there are very few true elite boxers in the game. there are currently none at hw. so elite strikers from other combat sports can compete with these non elite hw boxers. you wouldnt find any non boxer being able to compete with a shakur, or inoue, or bam at their own weight. it wouldnt be close. the hw division is the weakest i have seen it in 50 years, and you know im not saying that because of today, ive been saying it almost a decade. this is just more proof of what ive been saying.
     
  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    They really aren't since that is literally one of the categories of scoring.

    And since usyk scored the knockdown, the clean/hard punching argument can go his way too.

    If you want to say a fighter won, you have to find the metric by which he did.
     
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  3. Samart'sTeep

    Samart'sTeep Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Rico is 37 now and he's been through a lot of life and death wars in his kickboxing career. I can't even count the amount of times he's been dropped or seriously hurt. Hopefully, he got paid well for this fight, and he can retire entirely from combat sports soon. His health should be his main priority now imho.
     
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  4. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury and Kabayel are licking their chops right now.

    but f me, Rico deserves a rematch. He also has a career in boxing if he wants it — he was so, so much better than anybody thought. That weird ape swarmer thing he was doing was working quite well.
     
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  5. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    They really are. Through 5 rounds they had Rico landing 4 jabs, which just isn’t true.
     
  6. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    hold on. AJ didn’t embarrass the sport at all when he fought Ngannou. He did exactly what you’d expect a high level HW operator to do to a MMA fighter in a boxing match.

    and you just know right now the wheels are spinning in Eddie’s head and he’s already talked to AJ about it.
     
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  7. kirk

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    I do see this angle and I subscribe to this view myself but theres too much nuance here for most combat sports fans to really see this, so the stain remains.

    Also it has to be accepted that Usyk was considered to be elite by majority of the boxing world. Hes a two division undisputed champion, a p4p top 3, and Olympic gold medalist. I get that you might have not viewed him as elite but I think most did.

    And one has to wonder how many other percieved elites would wind up struggling, to then be called non elite after they struggle.

    That being said I agree with you, I think in the lower weights if the boxer is prime and they are the same size, and the boxer is truly elite, they should dominate.
     
  8. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i did see usyk as elite at hw, relative to the rest, which i considered weak. i never bought into the atg talk, though. i just stayed out of those discussions cause his fanbase is pretty rabid and refuse to see anything outside perfection.
     
  9. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Take the risk or lose the chance Full Member

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    I was waiting for that **** to happen and I knew it would be soon they where moving him along to slowly for a reason
     
  10. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    You don’t like him? I was hoping he could become a contender at least and give Itauma a run for his money
     
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  11. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What did he do wrong ? Setting up this whole fight for starters. An absolutely embarrassing performance against a kickboxer and a title defense made of pure fluff

    Oh and yes, Furys fight against Ngannou was also a disgrace so don't even bring that up
     
  12. PopPellegrino

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    Funny tweet:
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  13. DRUGS

    DRUGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk is a disgrace..
     
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  14. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thank the universe I can experience what fighting fans must have been like to Ali when he got fat as a hog and arguably lost to Jimmy Young.
     
  15. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member

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    To me it wasn't them moving him along to slow. It was the stupid team lining up fights that wouldn't go past 3 rnds. They were obsesses with the KO. Fighting guys that he can swing wild with no regards to defense.
     
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