Rico Verhoeven vs Muhammad Ali

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Verhoeven vs Ali

  1. Verhoeven by PTS

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    4.3%
  2. Ali by PTS

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    8.7%
  3. Ali by KO/TKO

    14 vote(s)
    60.9%
  4. Verhoeven by KO/TKO

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    26.1%
  1. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And Rico is not a top win for Usyk. This is my point. Usyk has looked consistently better than Ali ever did.
     
  2. PopPellegrino

    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    He beat a focused Ray Mercer, who had a competitive fight with Lewis. Is Lewis a bum for standing toe-to-toe to a bum? He put up a close fight against Holyfield. Is Holyfield a bum because at 46 and well past his prime he beat Nikolai Valuev fair and square? Usyk couldn’t do the same with a 1-0 knickerbocker.
     
  3. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course they weren't trash, my point is, boxing evolves. The fighters of the past displayed grit and courage beyond what we see mostly today but that is because that was the way it was back then. It was more brutal. The fact remains, that fighters evolve, and are bigger and better than they were back then.
     
  4. PopPellegrino

    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    G-Man would be a champion in this modern middleweight division? I mean, boxing has evolved.
     
  5. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    No he hasn’t. The 64-67 Ali on film simply looks better.
     
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  6. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Compared to what?
     
  7. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are we talking about the same guy who Mike Tyson obliterated?
     
  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It could be that trying to fight everyone in the division instead of a select few characters will increase the odds of a loss or a bad performance, idk, I'd think on that. Maybe think about how many heavyweights Usyk has actually beaten.

    Try and open your eyes how many times Usyk has gotten hit flush against Bellew, Briedis, Fury, Chisora. Perhaps you just ignore it because of narrative
     
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  9. PopPellegrino

    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    Answer the question instead of with a snarky response: Are Lewis and Holyfield bums?

    You can't answer this question because even you know it would be silly. Lewis kills the Uysk we saw today, no question.
     
  10. G Man

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    Not really sure what your point is to be honest. Usyk has gone to war with more tough challengers than Ali ever did. And he is basically a cruiserweight. Ali didn't come close to the achievements of Usyk, and I am not an Ali hater by any means. I am just sick of the double standards.
     
  11. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course Lewis ans Holyfield are not bums. The rest of your post is hypothetical. Lewis and Holyfield were knocked out by bums.
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Define tough challengers. Also LOL. Unifying cruiser and moving up to beat the top 3 heavyweights is excellent but not goat worthy. Wipe your mouth and zip it up when your done.

    Even Holyfield has a better resume than Usyk but not a better career. He unified cruiser and despite losing a few fights beat way more top heavyweights than Usyk and avenged his only 2 losses prior to Lewis.

    Usyk beat
    - Tyson Fury
    - Anthony Joshua
    - Daniel Dubois
    - Derek Chisora

    Holyfield beat
    - Pinklon Thomas
    - Michael Dokes
    - James Douglas
    - George Foreman
    - Larry Holmes
    - Riddick Bowe
    - Ray Mercer
    - Michael Moorer
    - Mike Tyson
    - Hasim Rahman
    - John Ruiz
     
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    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    I think a 1-0 boxer is the best definition of a bum in boxing. Also, Lewis does beat Usyk; we saw even fans are saying Uysk should retire.
     
  14. PopPellegrino

    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    Also, if they got knocked out by bums. Say they are bums; don't act like a f@g because you know most people would laugh at you; stand on business.
     
  15. Usyk is the best

    Usyk is the best Active Member Full Member

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    Most likely Ali from 1978 would've had hard time vs Rico or Ngannou. He threw pitty-patty punches by then and couldn't hurt any of his latest opponents. And he was bullied by small Spinks.

    60s or early 70s Ali beats them easily.