Rico Verhoeven vs Muhammad Ali

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Verhoeven vs Ali

  1. Verhoeven by PTS

    1 vote(s)
    4.3%

  2. Ali by PTS

    2 vote(s)
    8.7%

  3. Ali by KO/TKO

    14 vote(s)
    60.9%

  4. Verhoeven by KO/TKO

    6 vote(s)
    26.1%
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  1. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Come on man, you're better than that surely? Remember when Lewis was flattened by McCall and Rahman? Why does he get a pass? Usyk hasn't even lost yet ffs!
     
    G Man, May 23, 2026
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  2. PopPellegrino

    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    Uysk breaks down opponents. Can't even shatter "glass"; Dubois could continue even when he was knocked out. Lennox's losses all came from one powerful shot. Uysk doesn't have it in him right now or ever.
     
    PopPellegrino, May 23, 2026
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  3. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's just pure bollocks man come on.
     
    G Man, May 23, 2026
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  4. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis who ran from Mike Tyson til he was completely finished, even I would've knocked him out then. Lewis was a great fighter but he waited til the true greats of his era were done.
     
    G Man, May 23, 2026
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  5. Serge

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    I don't think it's highly unlikely at all. It's highly unlikely Rico would be remotely competative as he was tonight with even just the Usyk of a year ago who came in a much more suitable weight, let alone a prime version of Usyk who was literally a different species in terms of speed, agility, fluidity, reflexes, reaction times, sharpness and even accuracy as he was tonight but on this night he was and on that night vs Cooper Ali was badly hurt and saved by the bell

    Neither do I and I'm not even shocked by it given how long I've been telling everyone on here how much Usyk has declined in all speed related departments as well as others and how Rico was actually much more dangerous and better than damn near everyone believed he was. However, in order to be fair which of course none of these clowns I'm referring to are doing, we'd have to match Rico up with well past prime 39 y/o versions of these ATG HWs who came in at a very slow and sluggish career highest weight and with them having zero clue what to prepare for and with Rico also holding a massive size advantage over them too.
     
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  6. PopPellegrino

    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    "Mike Tyson is the ultimate bum; he lost to Douglas."
     
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  7. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course he was not a bum. But this is my point, No one is infallible. No one is better than anyone else. Times change, and that's that.
     
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  8. PopPellegrino

    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    That's your entire argument word for word. Yeah, if you fight once a year and only have 25 fights, you’ve got a higher chance of not losing. Tyson fought everyone, and no one would have even guessed Douglas would beat him, but that’s what happens when you’re the perfect “model champion.” If you take the best fights consistently and fight multiple times a year, you’re bound to lose eventually. Usyk had all that time to train, ducking his mentors in the process, and still lost to a 1–0 boxer.
     
    PopPellegrino, May 23, 2026
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  9. PopPellegrino

    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    This isn't your argument; I would actually respect it. You say it is, but it is just calling people bums for losing fights to lesser opponents. I'm done.
     
    PopPellegrino, May 23, 2026
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  10. TNSNO1878

    TNSNO1878 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Completely untrue narrative regarding Lewis and Tyson, it's well documented, not to mention Lennox is older than Tyson. Frank Maloney tried to make the Tyson fight multiple times as far back as 1996. Tyson paid him $4 million in step-aside money so he could fight Seldon. He then chose to fight Holyfield after Seldon and didn't honour this step-aside deal, and got smashed from pillar to post. Lewis had to take him to court; not sure how taking someone to court for not fighting you equates to running away.
     
    TNSNO1878, May 23, 2026
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  11. PopPellegrino

    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    Recent examples, and I know you said "Lewis and Holyfield aren't bums", but I can read between the lines when you said they were knocked out by "bums":

     
    PopPellegrino, May 23, 2026
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  12. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn't this whole thing start from you calling Usyk a bum for winning?
     
    G Man, May 23, 2026
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  13. PopPellegrino

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    This started because people said Verhoeven beats Ali. Uysk is a bum because he ducked his mantories for this fight (1-0 boxer); skill-wise, he's top 3.
     
    PopPellegrino, May 23, 2026
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  14. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mike was finished way back in 1989, Lewis didn't exactly make himself known then did he? When Mike was knocking people's heads off.He mysteriously surfaced in 2002 when he was not only finished but a living corpse. Anything after that was when Mike was beyond done anyway. He was so done that Danny Williams and McBride beat him. No hate towards Mike but just saying...
     
    G Man, May 23, 2026
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  15. G Man

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    So Ali is better then?
     
    G Man, May 23, 2026
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